BIRTHFIT Online Prenatal Training

Birth is an ATHLETIC event. Delivering a baby takes strength, endurance, flexibility, and balance to name a few physical skills. If I signed up for a marathon, the first thing I would do is search for a training schedule. I would start planning right away. I would not run that race without preparing. Why should birth be treated differently?

The BIRTHFIT Prenatal Online Training is week by week preparation before the big day of baby’s arrival. There is intention in the programming. Every movement and exercise, mentally and physically, has a purpose in training for birth. It doesn’t need to be modified for a pregnant woman because the program was written for pregnancy. I attribute feeling great and moving well with purpose until my delivery at 40 weeks and 2 days to the BIRTHFIT Prenatal Online Program.


As I trained physically, I was training mentally. If fear crept in, I would dismiss it with mantras or positive self-talk. This was a beneficial practice to carry into the day I delivered, and currently in postpartum!  On days I felt less motivated I would catch myself thinking, I am not just going to quit in the middle of birth… keep going… you got this. I would think about my repetitions being like pushes or contractions. I trained independently, usually with my gym community surrounding me doing their thing. I would remind myself how cool it was to have this time with my baby before she even arrived. I was creating connection with her in a way I never thought about with my previous pregnancies. Connecting my body through movement to my mind and soul was powerful; practicing this for months was empowering.

I knew it was important to keep moving, and BIRTHFIT helped me move with purpose. I was unsure of what a natural birth would feel like, and BIRTHFIT gave me confidence in my body’s ability. I was supported by my husband, and BIRTHFIT gave us the tools to build our birth team. I was eager to meet my babe, and BIRTHFIT helped me feel content and allow her to come on her time. I had a vision for my birth, and BIRTHFIT helped me accomplish the most empowering event of my life. There was no medal. This athletic event ended with the sweetest reward, our BIRTHFIT baby girl.

Jess Brown



Chiropractic and Heart Rate Variability

You’re telling me chiropractic care can improve my Heart Rate Variability?

As a chiropractor, I have had multiple experiences with new patients who sought out care for a symptom (e.g. low back pain, neck pain etc). After consistent care, patients who originally came in for a symptom start noticing other areas of their health improving as well! Although chiropractic care is a great therapy to help decrease musculoskeletal symptoms, it has been proven through research time and time again that consistent chiropractic care can help with so much more like improving your heart rate variability! (1)

In order for us to have a discussion on the bigger picture and changes chiropractic provokes we must work from the same set of definitions. The primary objective of chiropractic care is to detect and correct vertebral subluxations, enhancing the nervous system function in order to improve overall health and wellness. You may be asking what is a subluxation? The Australian spinal research foundation defines a subluxation as “ a diminished state of being, compromising of a state of reduced coherence, altered biomechanical function, altered neurological function and altered adaptability”. (2) This is a complicated way of saying subluxations move your body away from a state of health (growth and repair) and closer to sickness (breakdown). Subluxations are corrected through a chiropractic adjustment which results in changes in the body’s biomechanics, structure, central nervous system (CNS), motor output, and autonomic output (ANS). (1)

We know that health is not a destination, rather a constant journey of maintaining a balance or homeostasis. One’s ability to adapt well and fast to its environment is a state of health. A great measure of this adaptability and ultimately nervous system function is Heart Rate Variability (HRV). Originally HRV was a a measurement used to assess heart health, however it is now seen that HRV shows the influence of the vagus nerve (a major component of your parasympathetic nervous system or the rest and digest centers of your body) and the sympathetic nervous system, thus showing us the function of the Autonomic Nervous system (essentially how you exercise, recover, eat, sleep, and perceive stress). (3)

Unlike your basic HR (beats per minute), HRV is a deeper measure demonstrating the exact changes between successive heartbeats. It has been demonstrated that a high HRV is associated with health longevity and a higher ability for adaptation and resilience. HRV  has even been used to predict elite athletes’ ability to perform optimally during a workout/sport. (1) However the opposite is true as well: low HRV has been linked to age-related system depletion, chronic stress, and overall inadequate function of the nervous system. HRV is now a great way to assess one's health and many of chiropractors are now using HRV as an objective outcome during consistent long term care. (1)

There is an amazing retrospective study (looking back over time) where individuals received consistent chiropractic care up to one year and how this altered their HRV.  Baselines were taken of all patients and then objective measures (HRV) were monitored throughout their care plan. It was shown that every patient received an improvement in their HRV showing immediate and long lasting neuophysiolocial changes affected by chiropractic care.  Some patients were even able to elicit a change in HRV, bringing the values to levels more consistent with younger or athletic individuals. (1)

Variations from person to person were seen within the study, but an obvious trend of increasing HRV was noted. The exact mechanism behind altering HRV via chiropractic adjustments is up for some debate and further research in this area is warranted.

As one goes into the motherhood transition we want to ensure we are as healthy as possible. Using HRV as a measure of that health is a great way to get a baseline and work to improve it.  On top of mastering our chiropractic pillar to help improve HRV there are some other ways that have been shown to help improve HRV.

  1. Rest: where repair and growth can happen. It's amazing how much time, money and effort people put into their workout routine, supplements, etc., but will continue to sleep on a bad mattress. We spend a huge portion of our life sleeping, so we must do whatever we can to get all the benefits possible.

  2. Meditation: whether it is self-driven or guided

  3. Belly Breathing: Deep and Slow

  4. Movement for Pleasure: hike, bike ride, etc.

  5. Exercising during pregnancy (4): has proven to have epigenetic benefits to the HRV of your baby  (An amazing book that is a MUST read is Exercising Through your pregnancy by James Clapp)

There is actually a great app where you can start to monitor your own HRV making it a daily practice to get the best results. It’s called Elite HRV and you can find it here (5). With Elite HRV you can add a HR Monitor and take your HRV each morning and it’s all connected through your smartphone. By recording short HRV readings daily, Elite HRV helps you find what your “normal” Autonomic Nervous System patterns look like, giving you insights into your nervous system as well as stress and recovery activity, and then automatically guides you in improving those patterns over time (5). After about a week or two of consistent tracking, you will pull some accurate numbers. As you apply the chiropractic pillar and the 5 above ways to improve HRV you can watch your improvements at home.

If you want to connect with a chiropractor in your area click here to find our BIRTHFIT certified professionals.

With Love,

Dr. Jill Cameron

Chiropractor and Regional Director




1. Sustained improvement of Heart Rate Variability in patients undergoing a program of Chiropractic Care; A retrospective Case Series. Chiropractic Journal of Australia 2018 A.L.Haas PHD, DC, David Russel, BSc (Psych), BSc (Chiro)

2. The vertebral subluxation; conceptual definition for research and practice The australian spinal research foundation June 2017

3. Impact of Reduced  HRV on risk of cardiac events: The Framingham Health Study. Circulation 1996; 94 (11): 2850-2855. Tsuji H.

4. Exercising Through Your Pregnancy [James F. Clapp III MD, Catherine Cram MS]

5. Website:

Baby’s First Foods - Guide to Introducing Solids

Are you ready to feed your baby?

What about first asking if your baby is ready to eat?

I pureed something once when I was pregnant for the first time, and decided I wouldn’t be doing that on a regular basis.  It was an incredibly time-consuming process, and it didn’t seem necessary.  I put the little baby food maker away and decided I might get it out again sometime.  But that “sometime” never came (until the day I put it on Craigslist) because I knew there had to be an easier way to feed kids.

I planned on breastfeeding, so I knew that for quite some time, the only thing I’d be feeding my baby was milk that I was making with my own superpowers.  But I wanted to be ready for introducing solids, so I started researching.  

Thankfully, I discovered Baby Led Weaning.  It lined right up with what I had already studied regarding child development from the Prague School.  It made sense, too!  Feel free to dig in to the history behind this, but regardless of how you choose to introduce foods to your little one, there are some important developmental milestones that baby will use to communicate that they’re ready to eat!

People often confuse the idea that their baby wants to eat solids when they begin to pull everything into their mouths.  This doesn’t usually have anything to do with hunger.  Babies (as well as adults) have incredible sensation in their hands, lips, and tongue; they can learn a lot about their environment by putting as much of it as possible into their hands and mouth!

Your baby isn’t necessarily ready for food just because she’s gumming on everything.  She probably just wants more information, or perhaps she’s trying to relieve some of the discomfort associated with growing teeth.  

Look for the following signs before you decide to introduce solids - pureed or not - to your little one.

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  1. Solo sitting: This doesn’t mean your baby can sit up when you place them in a seated position.  In order to respect their body, protect their core, and allow them to earn and learn their innate movement patterns, allow your child to get to the seated position only on his or her own. When they can get there, there’s a significantly lower risk that they’ll choke while eating because their neck is strong enough to stay up.

  2. Pincer grasp: The ability to grasp something between the thumb and forefinger is a sign that your baby can select their foods.  In my opinion, it allows them to be better gatekeepers.  They can pick which foods they are ready to explore and are interested in because their grasp is specific enough to differentiate between objects.

  3. Loss of tongue thrust reflex: This one usually surprises people, because they often haven’t heard of it.  If you have an infant, and you put your finger into their mouth, they will immediately shove their tongue out at you.  They’re not trying to blow a raspberry at you; it’s a reflex that actually allows them to breastfeed.  This reflex allows them to get a nipple fully into their mouth so that they can suckle appropriately in order to nourish themselves.  (When you think about it, we really are amazing creatures!)  This reflex diminishes over time, and when your baby’s does, that’s another sign that they’re ready for solids.

When ALL THREE signs are present, it’s time to introduce solid foods.  Before that, your baby really will do best on breastmilk (or formula).  Rice cereals are commonly recommended, but they’re completely unnecessary, as they don’t offer nutrient value that isn’t found in breastmilk.  And it’s important to remember that for at least the first 12 months, food is just for fun.  Your little one is exploring tastes, textures, flavors, smells, and the experience of eating.  They may add in some extra nutrients, but don’t stress over how much they’re actually getting down the hatch.  Have fun with them while they explore this lifelong relationship with food!

(And if you’d like to explore your own relationship with food, I would highly recommend you set up a consult with Melissa Hemphill!)

Lindsay Mumma, DC



BIRTHFIT Podcast Episode 94 Featuring Brittany Anderson, BIRTHFIT Nashville Regional Director




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Hello, BIRTHFIT community! This is Dr. Lindsey Mathews, your BIRTHFIT founder. Today on the BIRTHFIT podcast, I have Brittany Anderson. Brittany is BIRTHFIT Nashville. She's the leader, she's the regional director of all things in BIRTHFIT Nashville. So first of all, go check out Brittany Anderson of BIRTHFIT Nashville if you have not and you're living in the Nashville area.


Second, a little bit about Brittany before she shares everything. She's a women's health nurse practitioner and doula. She is also a CrossFit coach. She's an integrative health coach and she basically has pre, post-natal, personal training out the wazoo in Nashville and does all things within the motherhood transition. So if you are in the Nashville area and you have not reached out to her, you're missing our seriously. She's a wealth of information.


And she'll share all about her journey, her education, everything, on this podcast. So sit back, enjoy and get to know and love Brittany Anderson as much as do and the rest of the BIRTHFIT tribe does.




Hello, BIRTHFIT. Welcome to the BIRTHFIT podcast officially. This is Dr. Lindsey Matthews and I have a super special guest with me, Brittany Anderson. I was almost going to say something else, but Brittany Anderson of BIRTHFIT Nashville. And you know what I was almost going to say was BIRTHFIT Florida because you're there. But why don't you tell people why you're in Florida.


Brittany: Yeah, okay. So we are here vacationing for kind of our winter break, trying to escape the freezing temperatures in Nashville. And unfortunately, it's been kind of cold in Florida too, but it's still a lot better than Nashville right now.


Lindsey: Yeah, awesome. So tell people what you do, who you are and what you do.


Brittany: Okay. Well, I do a lot of things. But basically, I just love working with women as they prepare for this amazing journey into motherhood. And that's always been something that really called to me. So by training, I'm a women's health nurse practitioner. So I have a master's degree in nursing and then specialized in women's health and went into clinical practice with that.


And kind of even in school, I was always the odd ball out because I just really believed in a more holistic, integrative approach. And yeah, I just really believe there are some things that we can tackle through lifestyle changes and a mindfulness practice. And so while I was in school, I pursued training at the Duke University Center for Integrative Medicine and did some coach training there.


I ended up becoming a doula and falling in love with that. And so the last several years have just been kind of figuring out like how I want to best serve women. And then of course over the last few years, I've had two babies of my own and that's really helped me further like hone in on exactly what it is I want to contribute to this world. So yeah, that's a little bit about what I do. And of course, I became the regional for BIRTHFIT in Nashville last year. So I'm really excited to head into my second year being a part of BIRTHFIT for 2018.


Lindsey: Awesome. Yeah, you wear many hats. You have many roles. It's wild.


Brittany: I do. It's a problem.


Lindsey: So it's a problem. But they all kind of mesh well together and they support each other. That's cool. So was there anything that happened in your life that led you to this awareness around lifestyle or how did that come about?


Brittany: Yeah. So in case you couldn't tell, I'm a little bit of an overachiever, total type A. So I was a college athlete. I got a scholarship to Indiana University to play water polo and decided --


Lindsey: What?


Brittany: Yeah, yeah. And decided in school like I had several different majors before I finally decided what I wanted to do, and I ended up deciding to pursue nursing. And everybody told me not to. All the advisers told me it was impossible to do that on an athlete's schedule. But if you tell me I can't do something like that's the best way to get me to do it because I'm so stubborn.


Lindsey: Yes.


Brittany: Yeah. So I ended up applying to nursing school and was able to continue to play. And that was obviously a lot of pressure and I ended up developing bulimia. And that was just my way of coping with the stress. And I ended up going to see my primary care doctor when I got home for the summer. And she kind of just looked at me like I'm telling her my story and what's going on in my life and she's just looking at me like I have no idea what to do with you. And she kind of just said, "Here's a prescription for an antidepressant and call me in six weeks and we'll increase your dose and good luck to you."


Lindsey: How old were you?


Brittany: I was 21, 22. So I just kind of like -- I was so defeated. Like, "Seriously? That's all you're going to offer me? My choice is to take a pill?" And so I just felt in that moment like when I get into practice someday, I never want to make a patient feel how you just made me feel, like so powerless, like my only choice is to take this drug.  


So I ended up taking it for about a month, six weeks and just didn't really like it and weaned myself off, never went back to the doctor. And I started kind of looking into mindset and mindfulness. I got into yoga and meditation and just read some really empowering books.


I read the Power of Positivity which totally changed my life. And it kind of just took off from there and I just sort of saw my role as a nurse in a completely different lens at that point, and knew that as I got further into my nursing career that that's the direction that I wanted to head.




Lindsey: Wow. That's pretty awesome.


Brittany: Yeah. I'm grateful for that experience.


Lindsey: Yeah, yeah. So how did -- you mentioned you were diagnosed with bulimia and you're a 21, 22 college athlete. How did all that pan out?


Brittany: So when I was officially diagnosed with bulimia, I was not playing anymore. So I took a fifth year to finish nursing school which I think probably contributed a little bit to my -- like I'm such a routine oriented person. Like not having my practice schedule everyday and my teammates around me probably didn't help. But yeah, luckily, I had developed a little bit of an eating disorder while I was still playing which I'm sure impacted my abilities as an athlete, but it really fully manifested in that fifth year after I was done playing.


Lindsey: Yeah. It makes like for probably both of us looking back, it makes sense when you're not surrounded by your support crew or the schedule that you once knew. And even though it's like people think, "Oh, you have more time." But it's like, no, you aren't surrounded by what you love or what you identified with before.


Brittany: Yeah, oh, yeah. There's a huge loss of identity there and that was really tough for me. It was really hard. And I think that just contributed to like all this pressure I was putting on myself. And I was kind of figuring out what I was going to do after school and freaking out about that. And it was just a lot.


Lindsey: Yeah. So what did you do after school?


Brittany: Well, for me, I ended up graduating in a really tough time economically, especially for nurses. I graduated in 2009 and we're like in the middle of this recession and all these nurses were coming out of retirement and going back into the workforce. And so there was like a hiring freeze everywhere. I mean I applied. I wanted to come home to California. I'm a San Diego girl and had always planned on coming home.


And I applied to hospitals all over the country, tons in California. Like everyone told me like, "Hey, you got to out and get some experience before you can get a job." Like where the heck am I going to get experience, and no one will hire me? So that was rough because my mom was a labor and delivery nurse. My grandmother worked postpartum and my aunt is a NICU nurse. They're all in San Diego and none of them could even get me like the homie hook-up, like nothing.


So that was rough. So I actually ended up moving to Hawaii to live with my aunt and uncle. And I was working as a nurse's aide and basically like helping out kids with disabilities and older people who wanted to stay at home but needed some extra help. So I did that for like three or four months before applying to a program at Vanderbilt, which is actually how I ended up in Nashville.


Lindsey: Oh, my gosh, wow. So wait, share the story about how -- like because didn't you and your husband meet on a weekend?


Brittany: We did, yeah.


Lindsey: Okay, yeah, that's awesome.


Brittany: So I moved to Nashville. I think it was like January 12, 2010. Moved to Nashville. They have a great program at Vanderbilt for new grad nurses where they basically put you in almost like an internship situation where you get lots of extra training and support as you kind of begin your nursing career. Because nursing is a pretty stressful career and you want some extra support around that.


So then my plan was to go to grad school at Vandie and then of course move home to California and live happily ever after. And I met my husband like February, I think officially February 17th. So I've been there barely a month and we pretty much -- he was just in town for the weekend from Alabama which is like an hour and a half drive and pretty much been inseparable since. So marriage and two kids later, yeah.


Lindsey: That's so wild. That's awesome.


Brittany: Yeah.


Lindsey: So how long was the program at Vandie?


Brittany: So they put you through -- it's called the nurse residency program. It's like a six weeks program and then they place you. You get to kind of request like what unit you would like to be on and then they place you. I ended up on a really strange combination. It was orthopedics and neurology. So I would have people who had joint replacements and then people who were in like super bad car accidents and things. We call the summer trauma season because people are stupid and get in all kinds of accidents.


And then I would have a lot of patients who had had like issues with prostate cancers. They had their prostate removed or kind of things like that. So it was a really weird mix, but it was a great learning experience. But from that, that kind of gave me even more fuel to get the heck out of there because I would see -- someone would come in and have their knee replaced and then I would literally see them like six months later getting the other one replaced.




Because when you're very overweight for example, you put a lot of pressure on your joints obviously. And the surgeons will tell them that, "You got to lose weight or we're going to replace, you know. You're going to have to replace your replacement or we're going to have to replace your other knee."


But there's no support around lifestyle change. Like, yes, your doctor can tell you that, but unless you are connected to the why behind why you should do that. Like maybe you want to be able to run around with your grandkids or you want to be able to live pain-free. There's no coaching around that. And that's where I got really interested in the health coaching piece because I really wanted to prevent some of these issues. Because joint replacement is a really horrible surgery to recover from.


Lindsey: Yeah. And it seems like -- I mean with lifestyle anything, the intention's got to come from within.


Brittany: Exactly. But sometimes like a coach, even just like mirroring back what you just said about why that's important to you, that's when the aha moment happens, and patients are motivated to make that change. But health care providers don't get training around that.


Lindsey: Right. It's so true. So how did or when did you start to shift all your practice and focus into women's health? It's definitely been an underlying thing, but was it immediately after that?


Brittany: Yeah. Well, so in nursing school, I did all of my practicum work on post-partum and in labor and delivery. So I already knew that's really where my heart was. But that's where everybody wants to work. So it's really hard and competitive.


Lindsey: Really?


Brittany: Yeah, that's like the happy. That's when you get to support people during a really happy time. And it's really hard work, but it's in some way so much less draining than working with cancer patients or even joint replacement patients. When these people are coming to you super, super sick. So yeah, a lot of people want to work those types of units, the mama-baby units.


So it was really hard for me to get a job and they weren't offering that track at Vanderbilt for the residency program at the time. So I kind of had to choose like a med-surg unit. And so I applied to labor and delivery probably ten times and the manager was finally like, "We're not going to hire you over here so you may as well stop applying."


And so I was like, "Okay. Well, I'm just going to apply to the women's health track for grad school and that's how I'm going to be able to transition into what I really want to do." And so I ended up quitting my floor nursing job and just focusing full time on my studies and I loved it. I got placed with midwives and got to do so much prenatal care and it was just like a dream come true. My school experience was awesome.


Lindsey: Yeah, it sounds like it.


Brittany: Yeah. And then during that time, like I'm sitting in class one day and we were kind of talking about pain management intervention and kind of like non-medication intervention and it kind of dawned on me. Like first of all, I never heard of a doula. I had no idea what that was. And someone mentioned the word and so I kind of looked it up and I realized like, "Oh, my gosh. These are tools that nurses would love to know. Why is this not part of our education?" So I was just so curious about it. So I signed up for the next available doula training.


Lindsey: Oh. And that's when you became a doula.


Brittany: Yeah. And I think I took my first client officially like right after I graduated because I got married right after I graduated, and I look my first doula client shortly thereafter.


Lindsey: Awesome. What did you think at your first birth?


Brittany: Oh, my gosh. My first momma, of course it was like the most complicated case. She ended up having to be induced at 37 weeks for high blood pressure. But it was so cool because I didn't really have like a whole lot going on. I didn't have a job just yet or I had a nursing job at that time, but it had a lot of flexibility. So the morning of her induction, I went to her house and we did some meditation and some breathing.


And it was a really peaceful day. And so when she went into her birth, like she wasn't scared. And her induction went really, really well. She's one of those people who like if she didn't have issues with blood pressure, she'd be such a great candidate for a home birth because her body just responds really well to any stimulation. I think she was only in labor officially for like eight hours and she even had to have mag and the whole deal. And she was able to give birth without any pain medication even being induced like that, even with the mag.




I think she had like one dose of IV pain medication super early on and then that was it. So she did amazing. So that was incredible. And then she ended up hiring me for her next baby and I caught her baby on a toilet because the OB didn't make it in time.


Lindsey: What?


Brittany: Yup.


Lindsey: Oh, my god.


Brittany: Yeah.


Lindsey: That's wild.


Brittany: Yeah.


Lindsey: That's such an exciting journey and it seems like you're definitely where you are supposed to be in this world, supporting women through women's health, through the motherhood transition and beyond.


Brittany: Yeah. And it was so hard for me to kind of figure out like exactly how -- I knew I wanted to work with women exclusively. That's one of the reasons why I didn't pursue the family nurse practitioner track even though that's probably the most popular option for nurse practitioners. I just knew like I don't want to see a newborn and then a 90-year-old man in the same -- I want to just be working with women because I already feel like that's so complex. And I want to be an expert in what I'm doing.


And so I'm glad for that. It definitely limited where I could work in some regards, but I'm still really glad I chose that path. And then becoming a mother just further solidified for me like I want to work with women in the motherhood transition. Because even in women's health, there's just a huge span of what you can see, right.


Lindsey: There are so many things, yeah. So yeah, do you want to share anything about your births? You had one last year.


Brittany: Yeah. I know, right. So of course, like being so type A and of course being in like this birth world already and having already taken many doula clients and having patients, pregnant patients before I ever had my baby. Like I thought I was doing everything right and then you know. You can do everything right and birth is such a beautiful experience and that you just can't predict what's going to happen.  And it's such a great lesson for parenthood because you just can't control everything. Like stuff is going to happen.


So I did prenatal yoga and I ate really well and I exercised and I just took really good care of myself and on and on and on and on. And I planned a home birth and ended up having to transfer to the hospital and developed a pretty significant infection. And my son ended up being born by C-section and had to be in the NICU for almost a week.


Lindsey: So the opposite of what you desire.


Brittany: So we ended up pretty much having every single intervention possible, every antibiotic and every single drug. And I ended up with a pretty bad fever. When he was born, we both had a 103-degree fever.


Lindsey: What?


Brittany: Yeah. And I was shaking so bad on the table they kept having to give me more sedatives. And so when my baby was born, I do vividly remember thinking, "Okay, you got to cry. You got to cry, honey. Like start crying, start crying." I remember that and then I remember them bringing him over to me really quickly, so we could snap a picture and then he went straight to the NICU and I went back to my room to recover.


But I was so out of it, yeah. So that was a really tough thing to experience. Like having my experience as a birth worker and then of course my midwife is a dear friend of my mine, my doula is a dear friend of mine. So we all just kind of experienced this really traumatic birth together.


And I can say that it was traumatic just because, you know, obviously it's not what we wanted, but we were really well-supported at the hospital. The OB literally was super hands-off until she was finally like, "Look. I know this is not what you wanted, but your baby is telling us that he needs help." And so I was very empowered through the experience and I'm so grateful for that.


Lindsey: That's huge. Yeah, looking back on that because I know -- I was just talking to a mom yesterday who gave birth in the last month. And she's like, "Yeah, I'm just starting to process what happened." And I don't know if you remember anything, but when you looked back and were processing that, did anything come up or did you practice, change anything about your lifestyle practice to help with healing and stuff?


Brittany: You know, I was so disappointed, and I just kept going back to like what did I do wrong? What did I do wrong? I just needed to blame something. And so I wrote out my initial birth story and I sent it over to my doula and she's like, "I want to invite you to reflect on this a few more times before you put this out in the world. And just try to look through the lens with a little more kindness with yourself."




So I was reading it and I'm like, "Man, you're being so critical of yourself. This is nothing you did. This is the story that was meant to be for you." And what an amazing gift to be able to have this experience so that you can share this with your patients and your clients. You've been there." And she was so right.


So the story that ended up finally being published out into the world was so different than how it initially started. So I was so grateful to have that time of reflection. And because I had the C-section, I needed a lot of time to recover. So I spent so much time on the couch just nursing and getting to process and that was an awesome. And I had, like I said, I had such an amazing community to support me.


My midwife and doula and I had postpartum doulas. And the more I shared my story, the better I thought -- I mean it still makes me tear up, but every time I talk about it healing happens.


Lindsey: Yeah, yeah. I was just going to ask about sharing with other people and your clients and your patients. Because so many -- like you mentioned probably five or ten minutes ago, we can check all the boxes and do the list of things for birth, but it's so unpredictable. And you blaming yourself is not uncommon in that seam. Many women definitely will be really hard on themselves. So yeah, what do you tell these women? What kind of advice do you share with them?


Brittany: I like to say like let's do everything that's in your power. Let's get you as healthy as you possibly can, but let's not be crazy about it. And that way, when things happen in birth you know that you did everything that you needed to do and whatever happened was the way it was supposed to happen. I hear a lot from clients especially it seems like a lot of moms will hire doulas and really get educated after having a really crappy birth experience where they didn't feel like they were listened to. They didn't feel empowered.


And I'll even to say to them, "It's going to be different this time because you are taking these steps to give yourself a great experience. But that doesn't mean it's going to be the perfect experience. But regardless, this is going to make such a difference for you." Even if they have to have another C-section or whatever it is that they didn't want to happen. Like this time, they're going to be more empowered and I think that makes all the difference.


Lindsey: Yeah, I like that. So what did you do different for pregnancy number two?


Brittany: So I was a little shocked when I ended up pregnant with baby number two. I think I totally put it into the universe because I kept telling myself. Like I knew after my older son was born immediately after I was like, "I want to have a VBAC. I want to have a VBAC." And I just kept telling myself, "You cannot be pregnant until Nash is nine months old. You cannot be pregnant until Nash is nine months old." Well, guess what? I got pregnant exactly at nine months.


Lindsey: No.


Brittany: Yes, yes.


Lindsey: Wow. Yeah, you for sure put that in the universe.


Brittany: I totally did. So I was all fixated on that and totally got pregnant and I was just not in the head space at all. I was so freaked out. I didn't even want to believe it was real at first. But because I was so -- so again with Nash, I had a miscarriage with my first pregnancy. And so when I got pregnant with Nash, I was just so paranoid that something was going to go wrong with that pregnancy. And the whole pregnancy was really tough. And I was so anal about getting my exercise in and eating well and blah-blah-blah-blah, everything I was supposed to do.


So with Gray, with that pregnancy, I was just so much more laid back. It was like, okay, I'm going to do things that make me feel good with my body. I'm going to focus on loving Nash as long as I can and as hard as I can. Because he's only going to get to be my only child for a little bit longer.


So it was just a completely different perspective. Like I just focus so much more on being joyful and doing things that just really made me feel good. I still worked out regularly, but you got to get creative when you have a toddler running around and wasn't so anal about getting to the gym like every single day. Yeah, it was such a much better, happier pregnancy. I mean I could have been pregnant with Gray forever, which is probably why he ended up being two weeks late.




Lindsey: Oh, my gosh. Wait and Nash was early? No.


Brittany: Nash was two days early.


Lindsey: Oh, my god.


Brittany: Yeah. Yup. It just goes back to the mindset where we talk to moms with that, right. It's all about the mindset. And so I mean, yeah, it wasn't until a couple of days before Gray was born where I was finally like, "Okay. It's time, buddy. It's time to get out of there." Because I just felt so good.


So yeah, I mean I really was just a lot more loving of myself and forgiving of myself with his pregnancy. But even his birth was like it was no cake walk. I mean I --


Lindsey: It was a journey, huh?


Brittany: Yeah, it was. So when I finally -- I kind of felt like I was in early labor on a Friday. He was born on a Monday. So that Friday, I kind of just felt like things were starting to happen. I was having some irregular contractions and thinking it was kind of gearing up. And my water broke at 3:00 a.m. on Monday morning and I started pushing at 6:00 a.m. and at 9:00 a.m., three hours later, yeah, I couldn't take it anymore. I could tell he was just like stuck. Like he just could not rotate to come under my pubic bone. And we had done every position known to man to try to get him to turn and finally I was like, "I got to get some help. I can't do this anymore."


So we ended up transferring to the hospital again. And the whole time I'm like freaking out because I just felt --


Lindsey: Oh, so you were at home, yeah.


Brittany: Yeah. It felt like déjà vu. It felt like Nash's birth. Yeah. And so we got to the hospital and the OB was really cranky and mean and immediately was like, "Well, you had a C-section last time. So you probably just need to have one this time because this baby is probably not going to fit."


Lindsey: So different OB.


Brittany: A different OB. This one was not supportive, not friendly, not happy about VBAC turning spur. Like picked a fight with my midwife while I'm in labor.


Lindsey: Come on, guys.


Brittany: Yeah. And it was a woman.


Lindsey: Woman. Come on, woman.


Brittany: A woman, yeah.


Lindsey: Support other women. Jesus.


Brittany: Right, right. But she's also known like in our community for being super C-section happy. So of course, she had to be one who was on call when I came in. But anyway, I ended up getting an epidural. She didn't even let me rest. As soon as the epidural was in, she's like, "You better start pushing or I'm taking you back for a C-section."


So I start pushing and of course he starts coming out. I just needed that quick little bit of rest and like she stayed in the room as I'm pushing. And then she noticed he was crowning and was like -- her tune changed so quick. She became my biggest cheerleader. She was like, "Yeah, you got this mama. You're doing so awesome." Like, "Who are you?"


So I mean anyway, yeah. So I was able to push him out and it was so surreal and I didn't even believe it until finally she was like, "Can you reach down and touch his head?" And I mean that was like the coolest moment of my life. Just knowing like, "Oh, my god. We're going to do this. We're finally going to do this."


Lindsey: Yeah. You just gave me the chills.


Brittany: Yeah, it was such a redemptive experience. Because I had the same doula and the same midwife and of course my husband was there. And so for all of us, it was such a redemptive experience. And I think we all just collectively just like -- oh, it was awesome.


Lindsey: Such a team effort it sounds like.


Brittany: Absolutely.


Lindsey: So yeah. Okay. So take me back to the moment where you're packing up and you're going to the hospital and you said it was like déjà vu. Like mindset wise, how do you stay positive? We're in this birth. This birth is different than the first, you know.


Brittany: Oh, I had already like -- I mean I was losing it at that point. And my midwife grabbed my face and my doula grabbed my face and they were just like, "Look. This is not Nash's. This is a completely different birth. We need to be in this moment." I could not have done it without my team. There's just no way.


Like they were the ones that kept me grounded, that kept me in the moment because I had given up at that point. I was in so much pain and I was just so ready for it to be over with. And I mean when you're at that point, it's no longer -- I always tell my clients like, "Contraction suck, but it's pain with a purpose. And when it becomes a point of suffering and it's no longer productive, that's when it's time to get some help." And I was at that point. So I'm just so grateful for them.


Lindsey: Yeah, what a journey. I hope everybody listening realizes how important a team is. Like those conversations that your doula and midwife had with you, those were so needed. And if you don't have that kind of support or team player, then it's really easy for stuff just to be neglected.




Brittany: And when you're in labor, you're in that primal brain. You can't make rational decisions. I mean I'm really glad that I was able to stand up for myself. Like I got even when I was still in pain, I kept telling them, "The baby is right there. I know I can push him out, but you have got to give me this epidural because I just need a break." I was able to verbalize that and I'm really glad that I did, and I was able to. But I was shocked that I was able to, honestly. And then when I finally did get the epidural --


Lindsey: That mom power.


Brittany: Yeah. When I finally did get the epidural and the OB still trying to tell me I need a C-section, I was able to tell her, "No. I know I can push him out. He's right there. Just give me a little time." But I had my team standing by me who I know would have stepped in and said something if I wasn't able verbalize that for myself.


Lindsey: Yeah. I love that, that story. Like that's huge.


Brittany: Yeah.


Lindsey: So for those listening, I don't know if you've all seen that picture that's been circulating around. We re-shared it at the beginning of this year, the picture of your and Gray. Oh, I love that picture.


Brittany: Yeah, yeah. And definitely if you go on my website and see the video, like oh, my god. Every time, I just burst into tears because I just remember like that energy in the room when we all realize like, "Oh, my gosh. This is actually going to happen. We're going to get this VBAC after all that we've been through together. Like it's happening."


Lindsey: Ah, so special.


Brittany: Yeah.


Lindsey: Wow. Just sit here and think about that for a moment.


Brittany: I know. So I've always dreamed of having a home birth and clearly that's not the story that was meant for me. And who knows. Maybe I'll -- I don't know if we'll have more babies, but if we do maybe I'll get my home birth that I honestly may just go ahead and start on that at the hospital next time.


Lindsey: Yeah. I wonder if like even though you want that, I wonder if your body is like, "Hey, I feel more comfortable here." Because maybe you've been around that, you know.


Brittany: Yeah. And that's so funny because I always like I get super anxious being in the hospital. Like even going with clients, I don't like being in the hospital. So it's so funny that that's where I'm able to birth, right.


Lindsey: I thought you were just going to tell me, "And I'm pregnant again."


Brittany: No, no. Three under three is not planned.


Lindsey: But you did #give birth again sort of to a cool project this past year.


Brittany: Yes. Yes, I did, great segue.


Lindsey: So let's shift gears and talk about that.


Brittany: Yeah. Okay. So I've been working on this thing forever now it feels like. I mean I started it when Nash was six months old kind of brainstorming. But I wanted to really create something for women who are starting to think about a pregnancy. I just felt like when I was being my type A self and starting to plan for having babies, there's information everywhere. There's tons of crap on the internet. It's really hard to sift through everything. And not everybody wants to surf PubMed. Like not everyone is like me and enjoys that.


And even me, I don't like complex scientific language. I like things that are broken down and in layman's terms and that's how I like to explain things to patients. It doesn't serve anybody to try to use this big vocabulary when you're speaking to people because half the time no one really understands and doesn't translate.


So anyway, I wanted to create a resource that kind of combines everything that was pertinent. I mean there's so much to know, but I wanted all like the really big points to get hit in a really easy to understand format that was simple that anyone could have access to. Because even like in clinical practice, women would come to see me for their preconception visit and literally we say, "Make sure you're taking a prenatal vitamin hopefully." Hopefully [0:39:37] [Indiscernible] say that.


"Get on a prenatal vitamin. Go ahead and come off your birth control pill. Maybe we'll check you for anemia or some basic labs. And if you're not pregnant in a year, you can contact us and then we'll deal with it."


I would tell patients, "Let's start talking about getting you on a healthy diet. What does that look like for you? Maybe let's get you to not only eat one meal a day or live on coffee. Let's start to put in -- to practice some good habits, because it's really hard to make lifestyle change when you're already pregnant. That's just so much pressure and I feel like that's what happens, right." So let's try to implement this stuff before you get pregnant so it's not so challenging to make this big change.




Lindsey: Right. And pregnancy is already enough of a change and it changes freaking every day.


Brittany: Right, exactly. Oh, my gosh. And so then I would also -- I have always been really into fitness just being an athlete. And there's so much misinformation about exercise and pregnancy especially early pregnancy and providers telling -- like I had a midwife tell someone that they shouldn't go to hot yoga in early pregnancy because it could cook the baby, like no joke.


Lindsey: Yeah. Just say that out loud and see if that sounds intelligent.


Brittany: Right. And I'm standing there trying not to laugh because I'm shadowing this woman. And like, "You're kidding me, right?" So there's just so much separation there and I just wanted to help clear it up. And I think the ultimate motivator for me was I transitioned to a clinic where I got to practice more integrative functional medicine. And most of the patients that I was seeing were women who had had several children in a short span of time and they completely neglected their own health.


So by the time they got to me, they were just so depleted of nutrients and their adrenals were shot and they were just, yeah, completely depleted. And so I just felt like if we can kind of get them before they ever get pregnant and kind of show them what they need to be doing to support their own health, that's going to ensure that they have a healthy pregnancy. Hopefully, they'll carry that practice into their consecutive pregnancies. And then that also ensures that their kids are healthy and then they pass down those habits to their kiddos.


Like that's where we need to be starting. And so I mean it'd be great if we --


Lindsey: Amen.


Brittany: Yeah. So that's really -- I just wanted to keep peeling back the layers. Like where we need to start implementing these changes? Oh, well, preconception would be a great time.


Lindsey: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Like you said, it would be amazing if docs did something like this, docs and midwives. If they talked about lifestyle stuff and even started that conversation prior to conception or maybe even when women are coming in to inquire about the pill or they get their period when they're like 13.


Brittany: Uh-hmm, uh-hmm. Yup.


Lindsey: Oh, wow, that would just change the world.


Brittany: Exactly. Or if this got integrated somehow into education when you go through like I don't know. Every state is different obviously with what they teach for like sex ed and stuff. But fourth graders in California get like education on their period and stuff, but it's all very like -- I mean my mom is a school nurse. So she actually teaches some of it. What is it? Like adolescent growth education or something.


But it's not like -- it doesn't teach them anything about their cycles and how to track their cycles and what that means for --


Lindsey: Like empowerment.


Brittany: Right. There's just nothing about that and how that would change the world. And also, boys should be educated on that too.


Lindsey: Yeah, heck yeah. Wow. Okay. So this program that you did, it's called Before the Bump. And talk a little bit more about how the structure of it goes.


Brittany: Right. So it's an e-course. So everything is online. I actually just transferred it onto an awesome platform called Teachable. So it's just really laid out well and everything is really accessible and easy to get into. But it's divided into six modules. So we talk about -- one week, we'll talk about nutrition. One is about fitness, one is about kind of more like stress and mindset stuff. And we talk about managing and minimizing your toxic load.


And of course, I really like to empower women with education about relevant lab work because I think that is so, so important. Like supplements are great and all, but you don't want to just randomly supplement stuff. You kind of need to know what does your vitamin D level look like and how do we fix that? And do you need more B12? And what I really wanted to focus on is not just listing what the normal range is because for you, that might not be normal and we're all different.


Lindsey: I'm so glad you said that, yeah.


Brittany: So I really wanted to put in the optimal ranges. So I want to be optimal in my nutrient levels. I don't want to be like one point above deficient.


Lindsey: Mediocre.


Brittany: Yeah, but still normal, right. So I made sure to include information on all of that.


Lindsey: What are some of the things in the toxins, like the toxic section that maybe one thing you talk about which people maybe surprised about.




Brittany: Well, we are exposed to so many things from our personal care products. And that's something that is terrifying to me because there's been no legislation on that in, I don't know, it's something like last 50 years. There's not been any testing on all of these chemicals that have been allowed into our makeup and our skin care product. And our skin is not impermeable. Like if you put something on your skin, it gets into your bloodstream within about 30 seconds.


So you sure as hell better know what it is you're putting on your skin. And there's no regulation -- like people can actually or companies can actually put in ingredients that aren't even on the label because of the lax regulations. So that to me is just terrifying.


Lindsey: That's crazy.


Brittany: Yeah. And I've actually been interested in kind of looking into how toxins get into breastmilk and all that. And so when you apply something on your skin especially around your breasts when you're breastfeeding, apparently, the breast tissue is really permeable to things.


So if you put like a lotion on your chest, it can get into your breastmilk basically, which is just fascinating to me. So it actually gets in more readily than if you were to ingest something. So again, you want to know what's in the lotion that you're applying to your skin before you go and nurse your baby.


Lindsey: Yeah. Wow. Okay, that was brilliant. Yes.


Brittany: So we talk about that and my big thing is I don't want to scare women. The reason I set up the program the way that I did is because I wanted them to take it a little bit at a time and kind of create their preconception game plan. So that it's not like all at once. So small changes overtime are going to have such a big impact.


Lindsey: Yeah, it's so true. I wish every couple, every woman would do this before they conceive.


Brittany: Yeah. And I think too like even for women who are planning a subsequent pregnancy, when you know better you do better, right. So don't beat yourself up for stuff that you did with the first baby or didn't do with the first baby. And that's the same thing for hiring a doula or finding out about midwives or whatever. When you know better, you do better. And so just don't look back. Just keep moving forward and do the best that you can.


Lindsey: That's so great. All right. This is a lot of information.


Brittany: It's a lot.


Lindsey: Did I miss anything that you want to add? Any major announcements for BIRTFIT Nashville?


Brittany: Well, I want to add one thing about the program. So I always think it's super funny that we focus so much energy on what is mom doing to prepare for pregnancy, but we don't do a lot about the partner, right.  


Lindsey: Yeah. Where is that partner?


Brittany: Right. That contributes 50% of the DNA. So it's probably a good idea for him to do some things before a pregnancy happens. So that is one thing that is mentioned that is mentioned in the program several times is what supplements should dad be looking at? What labs should he have done? What about his mindset?


Lindsey: So they could do the program together.


Brittany: Right. So of course, it is definitely focused on momma, but we have information there specific to how to help prepare dad. Because usually the woman is the one who takes the initiative with this kind of stuff, right, especially health stuff. Women are typically like the keepers of the health care in their home. And so there's not a ton of overwhelming stuff for men. I made my husband look at the information that I did put in there for guys. And he felt like it was succinct enough to appeal to guys.


Lindsey: Doable, yeah.


Brittany: Yeah and it was doable. So I definitely had it husband-approved before I put it in there.


Lindsey: That's awesome.


Brittany: Yeah. But specific for BIRTHFIT Nashville, like I said it is our second year. So I'm excited to get things rolling. We have a Postpartum Series starting on January 9th which is in Brentwood. It's a pretty central location for mommas in Nashville. We also have a Postpartum Recovery Workshop on January 20th that I'm super excited about. So January is full of lots of goodness. And I'm just really excited to kick this new year off and serve more mommas around town.


Lindsey: I love that. All right, where can people find you at social media wise?


Brittany: So I am @birthfit_nashville. I'm also @britteanderson. And my website is just or And those two are pretty well connected. So if you find me one place, you'll be able to find me --


Lindsey: Locate the other.


Brittany: Yeah, exactly.


Lindsey: Awesome. What is one piece of advice you have for any women, and you can include their partners, embarking on the motherhood transition?




Brittany: I think it's really great to do everything you can to educate yourself before you get pregnant. Talk to other women and yeah, definitely find a tribe and a community because that's where you're going to get a lot of education and where you can find a lot of resources. Like here in Nashville, we have an amazing yoga studio called Blooma. And that's kind of our central hub for a lot of the birth workers.


That's where a lot of moms come to get support. So I think trying to start finding that community and finding those resources before you get pregnant is just huge. So it's one less thing that you have to worry about when you are pregnant.


Lindsey: That's so true. Nice. Well, it's been wonderful chatting with you and I'm so glad you shared all your stories with me and the rest of the BIRTHFIT community. I feel super special.


Brittany: Thank you so much for having me. This was great.


Lindsey: Yeah, yeah, heck yeah. And enjoy the rest of your -- how long are you in Florida for?


Brittany: Honestly, I think we're going to leave tonight so the babies will sleep. It's like a seven-hour drive. So I think we're going to leave tonight so the babies will sleep on the way back up to Nashville.


Lindsey: Wow. Okay.


Brittany: Yeah, wish us luck.


Lindsey: Yeah, wishing you safe travels and maybe warmer weather in Florida for the last few hours and then maybe some snow in Nashville.


Brittany: Yeah, maybe. Thank you so much.


Lindsey: All right, Brittany. I'll see you in Nashville in April.


Brittany: Yes. Can't wait.


Lindsey: Yeah. All right. Bye.


Brittany: Bye.


Lindsey: One takeaway from today's episode with Brittany Anderson and I think she said it. Educate yourself prior to getting pregnant. Mom and dad or mom and partner or partner and partner, if you're thinking about adopting, if you're thinking about conceiving, if you're thinking about going IVF, whatever you do, educate yourself.


For those that are wanting to bring in awareness practice around their health, their fitness, their overall awareness to their lifestyle, go check out Before the Bump. This is the program Brittany was talking about. And she designed the whole six-week education program. Yours truly, that's me. I designed the fitness training that goes along with this.


So if you go to and you click on the little tab at the top that says "Online Programs," this will take you to a nice little page. And you'll see a little circle on the left that says "Before the Bump." And then you can purchase that six-week preconception lifestyle program right there.


So yeah, that's really for anyone that's wanting to change their lifestyle. And it's a phenomenal program. Like literally I just got an email today of a woman and her husband thanking me and Brittany for the amount of information that is in there. So educate yourself. Education is power. Until next time. Bye.

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The Reasoning & Importance of Fish Oil Supplementation

You’ve probably been told to take a fish oil supplement at some point, but do you really know why it’s so important to include this in your daily routine?

Fish oil is rich in Omega 3 Fatty Acids EPA and DHA. Before we can unpack the benefits of fish oil, it’s helpful to look at what exactly fat is, and the different types of fat. In general, healthy fats actually help the body become more sensitive to insulin, decrease the body’s production of glucose, calm inflammation and provide the building blocks for a variety of hormones; increased insulin sensitivity and lowered inflammation help to improve fertility (1)! As with most foods, we are concerned with quality and type of fat in the diet. Let’s look at the three main types of fats: trans fats, saturated fats and unsaturated fats.

  • Trans fats come primarily from fried foods, processed foods, and bakery items with partially hydrogenated vegetable oil, vegetable shortening, or margarine. Because of their inflammatory nature, trans fats should be limited as much as possible.

  • Saturated fats come from red meat, whole milk and dairy products, coconut products; these fats are typically in solid form at room temperature and are healthful when they are from quality, grass-fed sources.

  • Unsaturated fats can further be broken down into two groups: poly-unsaturated fats (things like legumes, walnuts, fatty fish) and mono-unsaturated fats (olive/olive oils, nut oils, nuts, peanuts/peanut butter, avocado, seeds).

Within the group of poly-unsaturated fat, there are fats called Essential Fatty Acids.  Omega 3 and Omega 6 polyunsaturated fatty acids are called essential fatty acids because they are essential for human development and health but must be obtained through our diet, since, unlike other fatty acids, they cannot be made by the human body (2). Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio in our diets should be 1:1; however, in our SAD diet, many people’s ratios are between 15:1 and 17:1. This overabundance of Omega 6 (think vegetable oils, fast foods, chips, pastries, and bakery items) is inflammatory to humans. Therefore, it’s important to watch our intake of Omega 6 sources and try to obtain good sources of Omega 3s. You may be asking yourself, what exactly are Omega 3s, anyway?

The three main Omega 3s are ALA, EPA and DHA. ALA (or alpha-linolenic acid) is found in vegetable oils, nuts, seeds, leafy vegetables and some grass-fed animals. EPA and DHA, however, mainly come from fish, which is why obtaining these nutrients from high quality supplement or eating fish is so important. Since many women choose to shy away from fish during pregnancy due to the concerns about mercury, being able to get EPA and DHA from a quality supplement is key. If you are a vegan or vegetarian, compromising by taking a fish oil supplement while trying to get pregnant through nursing can help tremendously.

Benefits of Fish Oil

In general, DHA and EPAs from marine sources are integral to properly functioning cell membranes and cell receptors; cardiovascular health; reducing inflammation; promoting skin, hair, and joint health; and neurological health. These fatty acids are also the building blocks of hormones and help to regulate hormonal processes, which is obviously a good thing during the Motherhood Transition.

During pregnancy, research has shown that increased intake of EPA and DHA can prevent pre-term labor, increase birth weight, and reduce the risk of preeclampsia (3). In addition, these fatty acids are essential to the formation of new tissues, which occurs at an elevated rate during pregnancy and fetal development. Specifically, DHA and EPA are essential for the growth and development of the baby’s brain and other parts of the nervous system. A new British study has shown that women who regularly obtained EPA and DHA throughout their pregnancy had children with superior fine motor, social, and communication skills in the first 4 years of life, and by age 7 or 8, had fewer behavioral problems and were less likely to have below average performance on verbal and performance IQ tests (4).

Because these fatty acids are so critical in the development of the fetus, baby will take what it needs from mom. If we don’t have adequate EPA and DHA in our diet, it will affect our ability to recover in the postpartum time. In fact, Omega 3 deficiency may increase the risk for postpartum depression. Therefore, it’s super important to not allow our bodies to be depleted of these crucial nutrients. Plus, since baby still gets critical EPA and DHA from breastmilk for his or her development, keep taking your fish oil while breastfeeding (and beyond!). Try to get a minimum of 500 – 1000 mg/day Omega 3 (EPA and DHA combined). You may find that this requires taking more than the recommended dosage on the label.

How to Pick a good Fish Oil

It feels like there are thousands of fish oil options out there, and it can be daunting to pick one that you trust, especially since these supplements usually aren’t cheap. So, be an informed buyer, and don’t be afraid to ask the supplement company questions! Here are some tips while shopping:

  • Many fish oil supplements come in the form of ethyl-ester, as this can up the potency of the product. However, making sure that the fish oil is in the triglyceride form is super important. This is because the triglyceride form is what our bodies are used to digesting and absorbing. If you don’t know, ask the company!

  • You want to make sure that the fish source is pure and fresh, so oil from small, freshwater fish with smaller risk of mercury and other contaminants like sardines and anchovies are best. A certification from a third party like Safe Quality Food Institute (SQF) certification or National Sanitation Foundation (NSF) is great. NSF has a new app and website called Certified for Sport where you can look up supplements to see if they meet their standards ( You can also ask to see a company’s Certificate of Analysis (COA) to help assure you the supplement is safe.

  • Sustainability is also an important factor in this world of ever-increasing overfishing, so a certification by a third party, like the Environmental Defense Fund or Marine Stewardship Council, is awesome.

  • As you can probably imagine, rancid fish oil is no bueno. Fish oil is susceptible to oxidation, and oxidation causes inflammation. Therefore, make sure there’s no rotten fishy odor, aftertaste, or fish burps. To prevent your fish oil from rancidity, keep them in a cool, dark, airproof container; keeping them in the refrigerator can also help.


Molly Powell

BIRTHFIT Milwaukee


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(1)Chavarro, Jorge E., Dr. and Dr. Walter C. Willett. Fertility Diet. McGraw Hill, 2008. 75.

(2)Abu-Saad, Kathleen and Drora Fraser. “Maternal Nutrition and Birth Outcomes.” Epidemiologic Reviews, 32 (2010): 5-25. p 15-16.

(3)Omega 3 Fish Oil and Pregnancy. American Pregnancy Association.

(4)Chavarro and Willett. Fertility Diet. 75

What is Webster Certification?

What is Webster certification? Why is it important?

Chiropractic care throughout pregnancy, birth, and postpartum is vital to the optimal function of both mom and baby throughout these experiences. Both mamas and birth providers are repeatedly seeing the benefits of chiropractic care, specifically care delivered by Webster certified chiropractors.  Consistent chiropractic care has been shown to promote safer, healthier, and more enjoyable labor and birth.

What is the Webster Technique?

As chiropractors our job is to detect the presence of a spinal/pelvic subluxations or areas of dysfunction. These subluxations can interrupt or impede the flow of the information from the brain out to the body or vice versa, leading to a less than optimal state of being. This impaired movement can also cause dysfunction throughout the entire kinetic chain. The Webster Technique is a specific chiropractic sacral analysis and Diversified chiropractic adjustment. The goal of the adjustment is to reduce the effects of sacral subluxation/SI joint dysfunction. In doing so, neuro-biomechanical function in the pelvis is facilitated. (1)

A misalignment of the sacrum may lead or contribute to a harder labor for mama due to inadequate uterine function, pelvic contraction, and baby not being in optimal position. Corrections of misalignments, specifically of the sacrum, may have a positive effect on the above causes of dystocia (difficult labor).

Webster technique is NOT a breech baby turning technique

Too many times as a chiropractor I have moms-to-be come to me in the eleventh hour (36-38 weeks pregnant) with a malpresentation of baby (breech, transverse etc).  It is not to say these mamas cannot still achieve benefits of chiropractic care, it may just make those benefits slightly limited. As mentioned above, Webster technique is applied to aid in a more comfortable pregnancy for both mama and baby. Through specific chiropractic adjustment, chiropractors help to decrease pelvic misalignment, which can lead toto baby being able to get in the best presentation for birth.

An ICPA article discussing the safety of chiropractic care during pregnancy states, “The success of this approach (Webster technique) may be related to examining simple anatomy. The uterus is physically attached to the pelvis and sacrum by way of the utero-sacral ligaments behind the uterus and the round ligaments in front and the broad ligament on each side. During pregnancy, the increased physical loads on the skeleton and the presence of the hormone relaxin in soft tissues make it easy for the sacrum and pelvic bones to shift and become subluxated.” (2)

This also demonstrates why it is so important to seek out chiropractic care at the beginning of your pregnancy to ensure the best possible outcome.

What does it mean if my chiropractor is Webster certified?

Not all chiropractors practice the same, and may have different specialities. However, if you have a chiropractor with Webster certification it signals TRUST. This will assure you that your chiropractor has been properly trained in the technique by the ICPA (International Chiropractic Pediatric Association) to help serve families.

What does it mean if my chiropractor is both BF Professional/RD and Webster certified?

You will be given the best possible chiropractic care throughout your pregnancy, birth, and postpartum experience! This ensures that your provider is trained in the four BIRTHFIT pillars of Fitness, Nutrition, Chiropractic, and Mindset and also can give you pregnancy specific chiropractic care.

If you are a mama-to-be and want to get BIRTHFIT ready for your upcoming birth please find an RD in your area here or a BIRTHFIT professional in your area here to help you master your chiropractic pillar for a safer, healthier, and happier birth!


With love,

Dr. Jill


Regional Director







A Nursing Mother's Meditation

“Breastfeeding is an unsentimental metaphor for how love works, in a way. You don't decide how much and how deeply to love — you respond to the beloved, and give with joy exactly as much as they want.” ~Marni Jackson

Take a breath, but don’t close your eyes.  With this breath, be present with your little one.  Look into her eyes and hold her little hand.

Take another breath.  Envision your milk passing from you to your little one.  Envision that this milk is a life force that is sustaining and nurturing her. Envision each particle, each antibody, each perfectly crafted drop, giving her life, and helping her grow.

Take a breath.  Realize that your breath, your heartbeat, and the warmth of your body are helping your little one to make sense of this world.  Know that she can feel you breathing and is regulating herself with your breath.

Take a breath.  As you look into her eyes, be present with how little she is.  Be present with how much she needs you right now, and be present with her strong connection to you.    

Take a breath.  Recognize that it can also be overwhelming to be a mother, to be a life force, and to be providing what your baby needs.  Be present with however you feel.

Take a breath.  Trust yourself.  Trust yourself to ask for help, trust yourself to make space, and trust yourself to meet your own needs so that you can meet the strong needs of your baby.

Take a breath.  Be present with the love you feel for your baby. Envision this love flowing into her, helping her to feel secure to experience this world. This love connects you now and it will connect you as she grows.  This love will be there once she has weaned and when she sleeps through the night. This love will be there during hard times, and good times. This love will be there as she explores independence during the teenage years, and as she ventures into adulthood. Know that whatever else changes, this love will stay the same.

By: Molly Hankins



Maintaining Your Nutrition in the 1st Trimester

If you are newly pregnant and find yourself wanting to eat nothing but toast, you are not alone! In fact, it’s estimated that as many as 90% of women experience “morning sickness” in their first trimester. As a mama of two boys under the age of two, this is a feeling with which I am all too familiar.  When I was pregnant with my older son, I survived primarily on brown rice tortillas slathered in ghee, and although with the following pregnancy the nausea was far less severe, I wanted nothing to do with most vegetables.

According to Melissa Hemphill, Mind Body Nutrition Coach and BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar Director, we are biologically wired to have an aversion to certain foods in early pregnancy (when baby is most vulnerable). This is a protective mechanism that is meant to minimize exposure to potentially harmful bacteria, which are more likely to contaminate foods like meats and vegetables.  Additionally there’s just something so much more comforting about a crusty piece of bread versus a bowl of broccoli, right?

If you’ve been feeling guilty about eating nothing but carbs, please know that it’s okay! Grant yourself some grace, and check out the following strategies for supporting optimal nutrient levels in your first trimester:

Enjoy veggie-packed smoothies

Smoothies are an easy way to get a lot of nutrients in a easy-to-stomach form and it’s a great trick for masking the taste of green veggies like spinach. Plus they tend to be fairly palatable, even when you’re dealing with food aversions. You can even open up your prenatal vitamin (if it’s in capsule form) and add it to your smoothie,  a super handy trick when you’re having trouble taking it.

Although I generally recommend getting your macronutrients from whole foods, adding a protein supplement to your smoothie can be a lot easier than throwing down a chunk of steak.  Since protein requirements are higher in pregnancy, particularly for active mamas, it’s important to be mindful of this (1).  I love to add a scoop of a plant-based protein powder to my daily smoothie! Here is my favorite recipe:

  • 1 cup unsweetened almond milk

  • 1 cup fresh spinach leaves

  • 1 scoop vanilla protein powder

  • 1 tbsp sunflower seed butter

  • ¼ avocado

  • ½ med banana

  • 1 cup ice

Nut butters are your friend!

Although chomping on a handful of almonds may not sound super appealing, a spoonful of almond butter tends to be gentler on a queasy tummy. Nut butters are a great source of healthy fat and protein, and nuts like cashews are great sources of minerals like magnesium. Consuming them can help maintain a steady blood sugar level, which is a key factor in the occurrence of nausea. Try slathering a piece of sprouted grain toast with cashew butter or add a big scoop to your smoothie (see recipe above).

All the collagen protein

Preliminary studies indicate that the consumption of collagen protein can help to maintain the integrity of the gastrointestinal lining, while also supporting healthy skin and joints: all good things for the pregnant woman (2). It’s important to note however, that this form of protein isn’t ideal for supporting muscle growth or maintenance. Nevertheless a healthy gut is key for nutrient absorption!

The beauty of collagen protein is that it can be added to just about anything, since it is soluble in both hot and cold liquids. I typically enjoy a couple scoops in my morning coffee, and it can also be added to tea. Just make sure to check the sourcing of your collagen; it should come from animals who were grass-fed and/or raised on a quality organic diet.

Paleo “BRAT” Diet

The BRAT diet is often recommended during times of GI distress, such as the stomach flu, so it’s a great protocol for morning sickness. The recommended foods were selected because they can ease digestive upset, replace lost electrolytes, and are both easy to eat and easy to digest. The traditional diet consists of:

B- bananas

R- rice

A- applesauce

T- toast

A few years ago I was introduced to what I consider to be a significant the improvement over the BRAT plan, known as the SCABB diet.  On her blog, the Paleo Mom recommends the following foods:  

S- soups and stews

C- coconut water

A- apple sauce

B- bone broth

B- bananas

I prefer this approach for a few reasons, but mostly because these foods are more nutrient dense than those recommended on the BRAT plan (3).

Soups and stews are a great way to soothe an upset stomach and are a simple option for meals. Who doesn’t love a big bowl of chicken soup? Along that vein, bone broth is rich in minerals, protein, and amino acids so it’s a great option when you have no desire to eat. You can drink it on its own, or use it as the base of your favorite soup.

Coconut water is a fantastic source of potassium and magnesium, and it’s an easy way to replenish electrolytes if you’ve been throwing up. It’s also something I recommend mamas consume during workouts, in place of sports drinks like Gatorade.

Applesauce and bananas both support healthy gut bacteria and fluid balance in the GI tract, which makes them ideal foods when you’ve been throwing up. Additionally, they are great sources of fiber, which can help ease constipation (a super common pregnancy complaint).

Those first several weeks of pregnancy can be so challenging, and hopefully now you’re  equipped with a few strategies to keep yourself nourished in spite of feeling poorly. Although you may have little desire to eat, giving your body quality fuel can improve energy levels and even minimize nausea. For most women, these symptoms disappear or significantly improve early in the second trimester, so hang in there!


Brittany Anderson, WHNP

BIRTHFIT Nashville








Attachment to Success and Failure

It’s our nature to solidify our existence. We collect thoughts, words, experiences, and attach to them. We introduce ourselves by them. We make decisions based on them. We interact with others (or not) because of them. We are beings highly equipped for adaptation. So we attach ourselves to these thoughts, words, and experiences and carry them into our future.

I used to think I was practicing non-attachment. When something bad would happen, I’d be present with it, take responsibility for what was mine, and choose different action steps within my control. It was a great game plan for dealing with failure but this process didn’t address my attachment to success. I held success tightly, continuously seeking it in each new “now.” I used success as the bar to compare and judge moments. I especially did this in meditation. Like other forms of practice, mediation is different every single sit. Some days, I feel the presence of God so fully I could sit all day in a deep sense of peace and connectedness. Other days, I can’t seem to focus on more than one breath at a time, feeling scattered and frazzled. I became really good at making peace with the squirrely sits but quietly longed for that deep sense of love and light.

I didn’t realize how attached I was to meditative “successes” until I read a transformative  passage from Christian Meditation by James Finley:

“Any attempt to grab hold of the consoling aspects of a moment on our own terms only constricts the flow of the moment. In attempting to cling to the consoling aspects of the moment, we pull back into the constricted ego space of wanting to possess, rather than simply be blessed by, pleasant and consoling experiences… to be open, truly open, to that moment of spontaneous awareness is to be open and accepting of ourselves as we really are.”

After reading this passage, I was struck by the realization that these meditative “successes” were a recreation of my ego in an attempt to hold onto them. In the moment, however, they were only made possible by surrendering into the now--fully open, trusting, and being.

As I reflect on my own haphazard practice, I can’t help but smile and think, “What an opportunity!” I get to practice this over and over again. I get to be with both my humanity and my divinity. I get to practice openness and acceptance as I really am.

Who would you be to accept yourself as you are? How would you live?

Melissa Hemphill


BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar Director

The Daily Practice of Journaling

It can be hard to create a daily habit of journaling. As a mom, you may find yourself with a million things on your daily to-do list, and as a human being, you might find yourself in a “keep moving or be run over” state of mind.  Despite this, taking the time to stop, sit, and be present enough to write on a daily basis can be one of the most therapeutic habits you could gift yourself.

The key to accomplishing this and making it habitual is to make it as easy as possible. It’s important to reduce pressure on yourself and  increase the awareness of the mindful experience that comes along with it.


Here are a few suggestions when starting out:

  1. Choose a journal that you love.

    • The covers and inside designs of journals vary.  Finding one that speaks to you will motivate you to use it more often.

  2. Don’t put pressure on yourself to write substantial entries.

    • Start with smaller goals such as 5 minutes of writing upon waking or 3 to 5 sentences per day.

  3. Carry your journal with you DAILY along with a pen/pencil (writing utensil).

    • This practice allows you to write anytime, anywhere, whenever inspiration may hit.

Once you begin building the habit of journaling daily, you will have more clarity over what to write about and when you do your best writing.  To start, a blank page may be intimidating, however,  daily exposure to that blank page can turn into your most sacred, safe space and your cheapest form of therapy!

When starting out, keep a list of prompts in your journal for days when inspiration doesn’t come as easily.  Here are a few suggestions as related to the motherhood transition:

  • What do I want my birth to look like?

  • How can I show myself love today?

  • What is one way I can connect to my baby today?

  • What is one thing I am grateful for right now?

  • What is one thing I could communicate to my OB/Midwife/Physician that will make me feel empowered by my birth?

  • What is one area in my life where I could ask for help?

  • What is one thing I can communicate to my partner that they can do that will make me feel more supported?

  • What is one thing I love about my body?

  • A thank you letter to someone showing up big in my life right now.

Science shows that journaling provides a whole host of benefits. Writing accesses your left brain, the side of your brain in control of logic, language, and thought. When the left brain is occupied, it allows your right brain to be creative and intuitive. Using all of your brain power through writing allows for more clarity through thoughts and emotions, thereby reducing stress.  Less stress can help you gain a clearer vision to problem solving effectively.  

If you’re looking for ways to slow down and be more present this year, start with journaling. Think of your journal as your best-listening, most accepting, non-judgemental friend! Get vulnerable with whatever comes up. Give yourself time to get comfortable with this process and you just might become more aligned and aware of who you are and what you need than ever before!

By: Leah Barto - BIRTHFIT Houston

@birthfithouston FB BIRTHFIT Houston

BIRTHFIT Podcast Episode 92: Dr. Dan Bronstein, DC

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Hello, BIRTHFIT. This is Dr. Lindsey Mathews, your BIRTHFIT founder. Today, I have the one and only Dr. Dan Bronstein on The BIRTHFIT Podcast with me. He is the man, the myth, the legend behind Beacon Chiropractic which is in Grover Beach, California. He also shares a little bit about the two other companies he started, one in particular that helps to guide chiropractors in caring for pediatric, kiddos, pediatrics, and another going around teaching about technique stuff. So if you're a chiro, this is a must-listen to. But also, if you are a parent or thinking about becoming a parent, mom, dad, anybody out there listening, this is the episode that we get into pediatric chiropractic and beyond, really. We talk about birth and the future and the trajectory, which I can never say that word, that kiddos go on.


Dan is awesome. I went to school with him. He's always, always, always been a force to be reckoned with in such a good way. He brings so much good stuff to this world. I'm not only lucky to call him a colleague but also a friend, and I am so glad that someone like him is leading the way in chiropractic pediatrics. So give this episode a listen. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to reach out to Dr Dan Bronstein. His website is That is And he'll be happy to answer any questions you might have. You can also find him on Facebook. He's there. He's in the social media world as well as Instagram. So enjoy this episode. It is full, full, full of information you may have to rewind it, re-listen to it, and sit with some stuff and think about how you would answer some of the questions as well. So enjoy.


Hello, BIRTHFIT. Lindsey here. Hopefully you know my voice by now. I am recording with Dr. Daniel Bronstein. Do you say Dr. Daniel in practice or Dan?


Dan: Oh, man. My patients call me a little bit of everything. But yeah, Daniel is good. That's fine.


Lindsey: I don't think I've ever said that. I've just said "Dan." But it's on the screen right here in front of me.


Dan: Well, I'm trying to maintain a momentum of professionalism, Lindsey.


Lindsey: I love it. All right, tell everybody who you are, give them your elevator speech because I know who you are and how much good you do in this world, but I'm going to play dumb for this episode and try to like show you off to the world. So yeah, tell them who you are.


Dan: Perfect. Well, first of all, Lindsey, thank you so much for having me on the cast. I have a ton of respect and love for you and everything you're doing with BIRTHFIT. I've been in practice for almost seven years as a doctor of chiropractic. I have a practice in Grover Beach, California, which is a dead smack between LAX and SFO. We have a predominantly pediatrics focus practice. The majority of my patients are under the age of five and so we're intrinsically tied to the birthing world here. We're tied to the pediatrics world. Being involved in that level in our community has really made a huge kind of impact in my life. People ask me all the time, how do we get involved in taking care of children and taking care of mommas? Honestly, the answer is just I fell into it. I was always very, very good at taking care of kids. I love taking care of children. My grandmother taught preschool for almost 50 years and she taught me a lot about learning how to play and learning how to love unconditionally, and that's honestly what's translated, I think, the most into my practice. So the type of impact we have at our community is solely based on growing a generation of children that will be healthier than our generation.


Lindsey: I love it. Because you know as much as I do, that I didn't come out of chiropractic school wanting to be all in the pregnancy, pediatrics, postpartum world, and I don't think you were at all in the pediatrics world either.


Dan: Not at all.


Lindsey: Yeah. What made you go, like, full throttle? Was there one specific, like, case or experience? Or how did that pan out?


Dan: Oh, man, that's an awesome question. Yeah. I graduated, what, a quarter after you?


Lindsey: Yeah, I think.


Dan: I think it actually ended up being a year because the time that I spent abroad. In hindsight, we basically came out the same time. And you're right, I was really heavily mechanistic when I graduated. My mantra was "Show me the proof. Show me the research." That was my background. I've been involved in a research in higher ed for many, many years before chiropractic college. The school that we both graduated from put a huge emphasis on wearing the doctor badge at the expense of wearing the healer badge. It was more important for us to check the boxes and bill the provider than it was to actually get sick people well. So when I graduated from that college, I was a little lost because I got into chiropractic because I was an athlete just like you and just like most of the folks that we know. We had an experience that saved our careers. Most people know that I was a water skier in college, I'd been a wrestler and a martial artist for many, many years before that, and I got to the point where my goals, athletically, and my lifestyle were incongruent. Well, and chiropractic really saved me there but I didn't know why at the time.


Well, fast forward, four years at chiropractic college and I got out of school, most people know this about me, I spent four months in Geneva after graduation as a consultant for WHO. We were writing health and safety policy on alternative med or they call it traditional medicine. Chiropractic was included. And then I just, like, "This is not what I want to be doing." So I came home January in 2011 and I was just lost. I had this experience. All those experience had added up to essentially nothing. It's like, "What's my source? Why am I doing this? Why did I get involved in the first place?" Honestly, Lindsey, it came down to me spending time with a lot of really principled docs, a lot of docs who really get the precepts of vitalism, who understand the major premise, which is essentially that there's order out of chaos. The body is capable of healing on its own.


And then, to answer your question full circle, I got to see these really high-power docs make amazing miraculous things happen with the kids in their offices. That really transformative experience or set of experiences set in motion everything that has happened until this point, continued training in pediatrics, continued training in pregnancy. Most of you know that I completed some CAPPA doula training this year and it's just we can't unlearn what we know now. It's completely and irrevocably changed my practice. I love taking care of children because children are not corrupted by the stress and toxicity that most of us as adults are. That means that when we care for them and we find interference in the nervous system, we find inflammation, we find discoordination, we can correct those underlying problems, these kids flourish in a way that most other kids don't. So there you have it.


Lindsey: I love it. Yeah, I like what you said, like, you cannot unknow what you know or experience because it's absolutely true. The school we went to was very mechanistic. Birth is the big picture, that motherhood transition is the big picture, and these kids are why we do it, so right on.


What would you say for somebody that has never A) been to a chiro or brought their kids to see a chiro? Because I get that question all the time, whether it's via social media, or Instagram, like whatever? They're like, "But why does my kid need to come in at a week old or two weeks old or five days old?"


Dan: Yeah, that's a great question as well. I find, where I live in San Luis Obispo, there's a love-hate relationship between allied birthing providers and chiros. I've only been here for seven years and most of the providers that I know grew up in this area, and so I'm still trying to learn the geography a little bit, but I find myself having this conversation with a momma whose now eight-week old first came to see me at about two weeks old. This is a failure to thrive case. She was referred to me by multiple other patients, which is usually how things go in my practice these days.


But this kid was just she'd been born with a pretty significant anterior tongue tie. The hospital that the baby was born in, they basically as a matter of policy, take the baby right after, clip the tie. It didn't really give this momma the appropriate post-surgical care for the kiddo and just kind of kick them out the door. So this kid is not gaining weight and come to see me and we clear a lot of these things out. But as is the case with pretty much all of my patients, I like to work in a team, with other providers. And so we talked about having an IBCLC, like a lactation consultant onboard to help through the process. And one of the go-to lactation consultants in our town is vehemently anti-chiropractic, which is really strange to me.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: And I reached out to this person on numerous occasions to try to build bridges, but we haven't been able to bridge that gap yet.


Anyway, so I recommended that she see this person in spite of her attitude towards chiros and the first thing this person said was, "Why is the baby seeing a chiro? The baby is perfect," except for the fact that the baby can't latch and still has major cranial asymmetry issues because of the post-surgical scarring and all these other stuff. So I encounter this quite a bit. And because of the type of practice that I have, which is fairly intensive on the corrective side of things, the answer that I basically give is that birth, in and of itself, the way that our birthing culture has kind of evolved is largely traumatic, right? Even with mommas who are delivering at home, who are delivering under the supervision of an excellent midwife, working with other allied healthcare providers, my feeling is that the genetics, and beyond that, the genomics of human birth have changed so much that birth itself has become this procedure as opposed to a natural phenomenon.


And I know I'm preaching the choir with you and everybody else at BIRTHFIT, but as a result of that trauma, as a result of that fear, as a result of that stress, our babies are being born more and more into that sympathetic dominance, that stress dominance. And what comes with that is structural changes. What comes with that is neurological changes, neurological interference. So the sooner that I as a chiropractor, any of the other qualified chiropractors that take care of children can check for those signs, the sooner we can change the entire trajectory of that child's life instead of ignoring whatever.


Lindsey: Yeah, that's huge, like the trajectory.


Dan: I've gotten good at it because that's like the theme of my podcast as well. It's full stop trajectory change because what we know is that there's so many kids now that are being diagnosed with developmental delays, sensory processing disorder, autism, being diagnosed with all sorts of analog issues like gut permeability problems. Kids are being diagnosed with hormonal issues earlier and earlier. We're seeing seven, eight and nine-year-olds now who are hitting menses, which is unbelievable.


Lindsey: That's so early.


Dan: It's so early, right? I mean, honestly, like my daughter, she's nine years old now and she's living a totally chiropractic lifestyle, but we're still even seeing issues that are almost prodromal of menses with her right now, which means that it's not just a matter of being isolated and being healthy one on one. It's about the entire community that's changing, right?


Lindsey: Yeah, totally.


Dan: So wanting to tell the parents about the need for getting their kids checked, that's how we describe it. It's not meant to scare anybody but it's just to say listen. In order for us to be healthy now in this new paradigm, we have to do things differently than have been done before.


Lindsey: Yeah, we have to live this wellness lifestyle rather than this reactive, fix the problem, put a Band-Aid on it, you know.


Dan: Totally, yeah.


Lindsey: Yeah. So here's a question, which this is kind of random and I was going to go on a different trajectory with the convo, but this talk I gave this past weekend, which was like awesome. It was at the Power Athlete Symposium, and I talked about the critical period or the primal period from conception to the end of the first year of life. Some people may argue that we've gotten better at diagnosing issues like that, where I kind of call bullshit on that and I say these issues, like what you've talked about -- autism spectrum disorder, allergies, asthma, gut issues, learning disabilities, things like that -- I think whatever is happening in this primal period is influencing all that. So, yeah, what is your opinion or that super important period of life there?


Dan: Yeah. Well, I mean, you know I'm a research guy.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: I've spent the last seven years trying to turn off the empiricism button because what we do is so much bigger than that, and we keep forgetting that evidence-based medicine is a three-legged stool too, right? It's not just what the science says, but it's also the practitioner's experience and the patient's wants, needs, and characteristics. Between three of those things, we get the best possible care for our patient.


As a chiropractor, randomize controlled trials and other gold standard studies are really terrible metrics to determine how well we do what we do because chiropractors use a very different approach. It's very individualistic. There's an art that goes along with what we do in addition to the science and the philosophy. But I also tell people it's impossible for us to get a gold standard because, frankly, like some chiropractors are just better than others at doing what they do.


Lindsey: Totally.


Dan: There's variability in technique and approach. So going back to your original question, I mean, I'm a huge bench science guy. I like looking at the bench science. I like looking at the underlying mechanisms to see kind of what's happening. I think I would simplify your question into just one common denominator, and we talked about it already and that's midline tethers, or tethered oral tissues or tongue ties or whatever you want to call it. There's, without a doubt, a massive increase in incidents of tongue ties, and there's some hypothesis about why this is and I think it ties into why our kids are so sick.


The biggest hypothesis is that these kids are showing up with a variety of detoxification pathway issues. Most parents will look at this as an MTHFR problem, but MTHFR is just a small problem.


Lindsey: A piece of it.


Dan: It's a small piece that is really part of a humungous, humungous picture. I do have some methylation kiddos in my practice, a lot actually, but this goes hand-in-hand with mitochondrial dysfunction, hormonal dysfunction. It can go along with blood sugar dysregulation. It can go along with gut permeability, like you name it.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: So we have all these like basically compounding issues that over the course of many generations, in my opinion, have sort of mutated. Human beings have become so disassociated with, as you were talking about, their primal instincts, their programming, that the genes are starting to mutate in such a way that makes it more convenient for us to adapt to our technology, to adapt to industry, to adapt to convenience. And now, trying to go back to that primal lifestyle, that primitive, very, I'd say like congruent genetic lifestyle is becoming more and more difficult. That's why it's so difficult to be healthy these days. It takes more time, more energy, and more money to be healthy. Because if you view what the FDA says, we'll save money, but we'll be sick as dogs.


So that's my feeling and that's my observation, and it stinks because when I see a parent has done everything right during their pregnancy, they've done everything like preconception and we still have a kiddo that has some problems, we have to try to figure out how to, again, change that full trajectory generationally. Not just our kids but our grandkids and our great grandkids will be healthy as well.


Lindsey: Yes. That's awesome. Can you elaborate more on the midline issues? Because I know there's people going, "I hope Lindsey asks about this right now."


Dan: Yeah. Well, midline defects can be multiple, and they usually kind of come in in packs. But for simplicity's sake, the most common midline defect is a tongue tie or a lip tie which basically means that there is an adhesion or a fibrous band somewhere inside the child's mouth that's preventing normal tongue movement, typically tongue thrusting, and that contributes to anywhere from latching issues. It can be associated with speech and cognitive developmental issues as well. Actually, I'll do a name drop. I'm going down to study with Monica Berger in February. She's doing a tethered oral tissues.


Lindsey: She's a legend.


Dan: She's so amazing. I just had her on my podcast last week. I'm so excited for the episode. But yeah, I'm looking to kind of up my game in the TOTs world because I see so many of them. I have a rudimentary -- well, better than rudimentary understanding, I think, but the science is changing and adapting so much that the more that we as these types of providers can identify, the more we can help these kids.  And the standard really now is if you have a child with a tie, even a posterior tie which is often hidden, and there is no latching issue whatsoever, most progressive pediatric dentists are saying now that it should be revised regardless.


Lindsey: Whoa.


Dan: Yeah, because it has such a big contribution to other developmental things later on in life, that the earlier they get to it, the better. I mean, I'm not a medical doctor, I'm not a pediatric dentist, but I've heard some pretty prominent voices in the world of tethered oral tissues make those assertions.


Lindsey: So is that always associated with like an MTHFR gene variation or do you know?


Dan: I think it's uncertain.


Lindsey: Okay.


Dan: There's certainly a lot of things that can go into it. And again, remember, MTHFR itself is just a small part of the cycle.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: And it's the most, I say, sexy one because it seems like everybody has a neural testing for it now with 23andMe and and all that.


Lindsey: It could or couldn't.


Dan: I don't know if there's an exact correlation. We know that methylation definitely can contribute to stuff like this. It's almost like the pendulum has swung completely in the opposite direction from a cleft palate to the opposite side which is midline tether. And we know that it's also very much associated with moms taking folic acid in pregnancy as opposed to actual methyl tetrahydrofolate. And certain moms are vulnerable or their children are more at risk. But yeah, I mean, I think that, our buddy Stan, he's the first person to say that the best way to get folate is from gamey meats and getting real food which, you know, I think you and I can definitely...


Lindsey: I love real food.


Dan: No kidding, right?


Lindsey: Well, okay. I know everybody is listening going, "Wow, that's interesting." Yeah, I'm stoked that there's actually more research and more thought going into that side of things because that's something I don't know but it's definitely something that I'm like, okay, if somebody needs to get in on that, the midline and the tongue tie research there.


Dan: In chiropractors, Lindsey, and this is a really important point. The chiropractors and other allied healthcare practitioners, body workers, doulas, midwives, they're championing this knowledge base. The reason is because their paradigm is completely different than the status quo. The traditional American medical infrastructure focuses so much, as you talked about before, on reactive healthcare. Was it a misnomer? It's reactive medicine. And so little emphasis on primary prevention. Chiropractors, in particular, are different because we focus on trying to find the underlying actual causes to these problems to prevent having to constantly put the house fire out later on in life.


Most medical doctors that I've talked to, pediatricians and whatnot, again, like they won't even remotely address something like a tongue tie unless it's having a major symptomatic effect, like a baby can't latch or whatever. So we got to clip the tie and let's see what ends up happening. But even so, I've had IBCLCs who have said, "Okay, we got to clip the tie. Let's get the baby. We'll do some breastfeeding support. And if the baby can't latch beyond that, well, I guess if the baby is in trouble, we're just going to have to put the baby on a bottle for the rest of their lives." I didn't have MDs in the past who have had babies who were having difficulty feeding who have put them on solid food like oatmeal, for example, as early as four months old.


Lindsey: Whoa!


Dan: They're so concerned about the symptom of the baby not gaining weight or not latching that they're more concerned about fixing the house fire by building another, like part of the house as opposed to fixing the cause of the problems. So yeah, we see things differently, and I think that's why chiropractic patients tend to shine a little brighter.


Lindsey: Wow! So what are some other issues that you see with kiddos? I could talk about what we're talking about forever, but let me give people of variety here.


Dan: Yeah. I'd say latching issues are probably at the crux of why I see most babies because babies would come in with constipation with colic. Parents will have issues with like massive acid reflux after the first 16 weeks or so. Underlying, it's usually a latching issue, and the latching issue that I most commonly see is related to upper cervical subluxation misalignment from the birthing process that prevents baby not only from turning his or her head symmetrically, but also maintaining a cervical spine or neck stability.


We know that the three major primary reflexes that a baby is born with, hardwired, is a Moro reflex which is a startle response. I heard somebody say it's a carryover evolutionarily from when we were apes. So if we fall out of a tree, we put our hands back to protect our self. I don't know if that's based in evidence or not, but it makes sense.


Lindsey: Sounds good.


Dan: The other two are a rooting reflex and a suckling reflex. A baby should be able to get food without having to think about, which is why we want baby to go on mom's chest right after birth and try to latch without any help. Having an issue with the upper cervical spine and the neurology that is related to that gets in the way of appropriate rooting, suckling, in some cases, Moro responses if there's a lot of trauma. I just checked a brand new baby yesterday. It does not have a robust bilateral Moro response which is really scary.


And beyond that, if we look for things like what's called an asymmetric tonic neck reflex, which is a primitive almost cross-crawl reflex, if a baby can't turn his or her head, that reflex never integrates in the first place. So it's all these developmental cascading in the future that contributes to delays and you name it. So I tend to see mostly those types of cases. This month, I was blessed because I had four mommas all deliver within about two weeks of each other. And two of them delivered at home, two delivered in the hospital and they all had amazing, incredible fulfilling, empowering births. The babies did fantastic. I finally got the opportunity to check four very, very healthy babies which is something I've been asking for.


Lindsey: That's pretty awesome.


Dan: It is. I mean, because my practice tends to attract those sicker cases, it's really nice to have some healthy kids come in to the practice these days.


Lindsey: Yeah. Wow! I'm just thinking, like, what would the moms -- yeah, well you said they had beautiful birth experiences, but to see they're healthy thriving babies, like they've got to be really freaking proud.


Dan: Yeah. It's really fulfilling to see moms who take control, who take their power back. I mean, these four moms were all in their second and/or third pregnancies. And talking about birth, because fetus is what we're talking about, it's really, really heartbreaking for a mom to come into my practice and say, "Okay. We're on our second or third pregnancy. We just don't want to have happen what happened previously."


Lindsey: But don't you hear that so much? because I hear that all the time.


Dan: Every week, yeah, without a doubt. I think a lot of it has to do it with the fact that moms, they go into birth, I don't want to say "unprepared" because unprepared indicates that they're willfully sort of ignoring.


Lindsey: Right. It's not the right word.


Dan: Right. It's more just sort of -- well, I don't even know. I find that the biggest reasons that moms don't have the birth that they want is, well, most common, is they trust the wrong people.


Lindsey: Yeah, they were led down the wrong path.


Dan: Correct, right. I'm reminded of the last momma that I checked. This was yesterday. She was going for a VBAC. Early on, she came into my office, referred by her doula. We, all three of us, talked about her plan. We made sure she had the right provider and she basically had the same experience, like, "I just do not want to have a C-section again. It was abusive. I felt like I was assaulted. The doctor didn't say anything, took the baby away, the baby was sick." The Apgar score was 3 and 5, I think she said. So it just went totally terrible and she's like, "You know what? I'm changing my destiny with this birth." And even so, when she went to the hospital, she's recalling her birth story to me because I didn't have the chance to get to her. It happened so quickly.


She ended up bumping into her previous OB, who now is a hospitalist at the local hospital. He was on a call. Her OB comes in, checks her, goes out of the room, the hospitalist comes in and checks her. And this is what he says, Lindsey, in it could not be more insulting. He says, "Well, the basketball didn't fit through the hoop last time, so what makes you think it's going to fit through the hoop this time?"


Lindsey: Oh, my God!


Dan: Right.


Lindsey: What a dick!


Dan: And so those of us who are birth doulas are going, "That is unacceptable!" It is absolutely unacceptable that he would even say something remotely like that and it's coupled with the fact that at that hospital, in particular, is where the NICU was. We have NICU nurses who are saying things along the lines of, "Well, if moms were less strict about their birth plan, if they compromised a little bit more, if they didn't have to have everything their way, then we'd probably have healthier births in the hospital." And I'm just thinking, "Who are these people to tell a mom what she should and should not do, or furthermore, what she is allowed or not allowed to do?"


Lindsey: Yeah, what she desires.


Dan: Correct, right? And this is why we're in this predicament.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: The best part about this mom -- and I'll finish the story up -- is that she basically looked at this OB and said -- are we allowed to cuss in this podcast?


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: Yeah, I think, she just [0:35:17] [Indiscernible] off, "I'm going to do my thing. I have my doula here. I know I can do this." And guess what? She did it.


Lindsey: Oh, I love that.


Dan: Right? It's very empowering to see moms who can actually do this. It needs to be more of a commonality. It's the mom's choices to have an elective C-section. Like, let her have the power to make that decision.


Lindsey: Yeah, it's her choice, it's her body, like her baby, her family. Yeah. How do we change the future? Because I did a podcast the other day with a woman that's in Illinois, and I think she mentioned that they're not allowed to have home births there. Yeah.


Dan: What?


Lindsey: And in Alabama, you can't either. Yeah, I need to get my numbers together, but there are still states where you're not allowed to have a home birth with a midwife, like it's illegal. So people either cross the border into another state or they have an unassisted birth.


Dan: Right, which is extremely dangerous in the absence of other options. Yeah, I was reading an article last year, I think, about the situation in Alabama. It's fascinating because everybody is crossing over into Texas right now, right?


Lindsey: Texas or Florida.


Dan: Yeah. It's the same kind of thing we're talking about with regards to surrogacy in my podcast a few months back. By regulating all of these options out, moms are forced with a really unfortunate choice, right?


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: It's risk. Having no supervision to do something that sometimes require support, even if it's not a hospital birth but requires support, requires advocacy, or go to the hospital and risk being assaulted, right? Those are not good extremes. And when we have conversations with other allied healthcare providers, chiropractors and/or patients who are of that sort of vitalistic mindset, and these doctors are like, "Oh, why would you want to do anything like that?" It's not like we can even describe it to these people, right? The answer should be, and always should be, "What's it to you?"


You know, it's so funny, Lindsey. I was in a parent-teacher conference with the principal of our school and [0:37:40] [Indiscernible] teacher a few months back. And we have the conversation about not giving her sugar in the classroom, right?


Lindsey: Oh my God!


Dan: Stop [0:37:50] [Indiscernible] particular with treats when she does something right. And we're looking back at these folks and they're basically like, "Well, what's the problem?" And my response, I don't know where it came from, but my response was, it is not within our healthcare philosophy to reward our daughter with sugar. I couldn't believe I had to even explain that, right, or hope to say, "What am I, a Christian Scientist?" Like, no, I just don't want to provide that type of reward system for a kiddo who's otherwise an amazingly healthy kiddo since the [0:38:23] [Indiscernible] message.


Meanwhile, like half of her classmates are overweight and diabetic, like this is why we do what we do. She isn't feeling like she's cheated. None of the pregnant moms that we see in our practice feel cheated. They make these decisions because that's what they want.


Lindsey: Yeah, they're intentional in their choices.


Dan: Oh, totally. This parental choice thing is so, so, so important. You and I live in California and it's getting [0:38:45] [Indiscernible] every day.


Lindsey: I know. I know. Oh, it's really frustrating. It has me thinking, "Okay, if we have kids, where are we going to raise them?"


Dan: It's a different country.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: I mean, listen, I want to say, like, I love living in the U.S. I'm not going to be that guy that hates the country. I live in amazing, amazing place. But I will tell you, especially in the State of California, guys, it is so stinking hard to raise a family here. It is extremely difficult, especially if you're of the mindset like Lindsey and I are because we don't have a lot of choices in the way that we raise our kids. If we decide we are going to depart from the status quo, not only do we get a bunch of scrutiny and a bunch of unwanted antagonism and resentment, but, I mean, with the way that the laws are going right now, there's a good possibility in the future that will get our kids taken away.


Lindsey: Yeah, or arrested or whatever.


Dan: Right.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: I had a cancer kid that I was taking care of in my practice. He had a very rare form or neuroectodermal tumor, and his mom and his dad, they decided that they were doing chemotherapy after the first year and they started working with CBDs and a homeopath and a few other folks. They had CPS called on them 12 times.


Lindsey: Oh my God.


Dan: Unfreaking believable! And we tried to explain why, like, "You know, these people just don't understand." "Don't you want what's best for your kids? You're a terrible person that you don't want what's best for your kids." "Are you kidding me? No way! That's not what we want. We want what's best for our kids. It's just not what you want!"


Lindsey: Yeah, we have different philosophies.


Dan: Totally.


Lindsey: Okay. So before we run out of time, I want to switch gears and talk about men in the birth world.


Dan: Oh, yes. Yes. Actually, I don't think I actually answered your previous question, but this parlays well into that topic. Yeah. So again, you and me both have a very close friend in Dr. Stan Hom who's down in San Diego. I've been working in birth for, like I said, almost seven years. I'm a bit of a unicorn here in this area because the majority of the birth workers that I liaise with are women.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: Every doula I know is a woman, every midwife I know is a woman with the exception of Stu although Stu and I have never met personally, but I follow him very closely. Most of the OBs that I work with are women with the exception of maybe one or two who are kind of getting retired. One of the things I've had was a really hard time in working with women was being able to empathically connect to women. And I didn't realize at the time, coming through all of this, that there's a bit of a gender gap there. I took it personally. And you know, Stan, he set me straight and he basically said something like, "Men have basically destroyed the birthing culture in the United States so you can't take it personally when people are skeptical. However, if we do this correctly, we may be able to change that for future generations."


So like I said prior, I did a bunch of a CAPPA training this year with a CAPPA trainer who's fantastic. She's one of my favorite doulas in the whole county. At first, she actually told me that she couldn't train me because she felt that having maybe 30 women in the room and one dude would create this sort of barrier for vulnerability, and that irritated me too. But then, again, like I realized, yeah, I get it. I totally get it. Men have ruined the birthing culture.


So what I ended up doing is I ended up doing a bunch of private training with her. We learned about being empathic, about holding space. I mean, and even with the training that I've done with you and Erica and Mumma and all the folks that have really made BIRTHFIT a big thing, it's changed my perspective quite a bit.


Lindsey: How so? Or can you input?


Dan: Well, the biggest problem, honestly, was I wanted to be in control of all the variables of my pregnant women. And that was my problem. I didn't realize it at that point but it was because I was so concerned about my stats and my reputation, all the stuff that mattered to me, it totally stripped all of these moms of their power to be able to do what they wanted. And so when a pregnant mom comes in to my practice, regardless of what their plan is, my trajectory, my focus has changed completely to make sure that I'm very clear on what the mom wants and giving everything that I can to deliver on those promises.


Lindsey: That's cool.


Dan: That holding space piece is really freaking hard for dudes. It's really hard because we cannot understand experientially what women go through in the birthing process. I have attended tons of births. I get it. I've seen a lot of things. Birth, it still one of those things that I love to be a part of. It's one of those things that I love to, but I will never understand what it feels like to deliver a baby in that model. So as a dude, we owe it to the women in our lives, whether that be our significant others, whether that be to the moms in our practices, whether that be to the other birthing providers who are helping these women to meet them where they are and to help them through the process by giving them information, by offering support, and by absolutely not judging so that moms can maintain their power 100% through not just the pregnancy process, but labor and then on to postpartum.


Lindsey: Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say that's just a male thing to figure out like you said you wanted to control it all. I think that's an everybody thing, you know.


Dan: Well, so let me clarify, because I do agree with you that it isn't just maybe a gender thing. But what I will tell you is the culture that I've observed in, well, I mean, is this in California. Maybe not in other states but especially here, it's very patriarchal. Even with the female OBs that I see, that I work with, there is a large portion of these folks, a large majority of these folks who have a "Do what I say" mentality "or you're fired."


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: Right? It's "My way or the highway." The thing that's even crazier and it's most disingenuous is that as soon as the shit hits the fan, most of these folks don't even stick to the promises that they made. I mean I can't count the amount of moms who have a trigger pulled on them in violation of the ACOG guidelines because an OB somewhere thought that the baby might be in distress. Even with one of these other mommas, like the one of the moms that I was seeing this week, the doctor came in, wanted to put an internal monitor in and the mom's like, "No! I don't need one." But then she wanted to do it so that she could go back to her office and catch on and watch Netflix or whatever and just make sure the baby's heart was still beating. Like, what happened? What happened to the burning culture of observe and stay with the momma and do all the stuff? That's why I love midwives because they're so committed to the cause. It's not uncommon for a momma that I have in my practice that does a home birth to labor it out for five, six days.


Lindsey: Yeah, totally.


Dan: But if you go beyond 24 hours, like, who's going to pull the trigger? Oh, you've got to push Pit, you've got to push Cytotec, you got to do all these other stuff like, "Says who?"


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: Not ACOG.


Lindsey: Yeah, ACOG doesn't even say it.


Dan: Right. It's like the hospital policy is somehow Trump's best practices. Again, it's a patriarchal culture that's borne in the doctor is the owner of your health and if you do something that's contrary to what the doctor says, you're cavalier with your health. You're putting your life and your baby's life in jeopardy and you're just a terrible person. So, yeah.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: Yeah, yeah. I think, again, I started with the male component of it, but it's really just a permeating patriarchy in the birthing culture. The more empathic we are with our moms, the more open we are. The more, frankly, we're there to empower our mom's decisions, I mean, the better we're going to do. I mean, it's trajectory changing, genomic changing birth which changes the health of our children for the better.


Lindsey: Yeah. Oh, yeah, it would really, really shift the whole, the future supporting and honoring mom's desires as true as we can.


Dan: No doubt. Without a doubt.


Lindsey: Well, what else we got? Oh, man. I feel like we've talked about so much but this is great. Tell everybody what you got going on, like, with your KiddoCast and where they can find stuff like that.


Dan: Oh, thank you. Yeah.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: Well, I know there's probably a lot of lay folks that are listening, which is awesome. We have a podcast called the KiddoCast which is designed for parents. I know we have a lot of docs who are listening to our podcasts as well, and they share it with their families, but the real goal of the podcast is to bring other amazing docs like Dr. Mathews and we talked about Dr. Berger and we just released our episode with Jeanne Ohm. I know you've had her on the podcast in the past. And that's to help normalize what we do in our offices. It's providing this information on a free basis so that parents can be empowered to make the decisions that are right for their families.


The KiddoCast runs in 15-episode seasons so we're dead smack in the middle of Season 2 right now. All of my episodes are in the can. They're amazing, unbelievable, incredible episodes. I'm so honored and privileged to hear from these giants in our profession and outside of our profession. This episode is going to run concurrently on the KiddoCast as well. So people who don't know Lindsey will have an earful of Dr. Mathews. But yeah, go to iTunes, Stitcher, Android, and you can subscribe to the podcast there. It's also available on our website at www.chirobeacon. That's We hope you enjoy it, so.


Lindsey: What about your seminars?


Dan: Yeah. You know, we've done a lot of expanding this year, which has been a blessing and a curse. I love my practice, but I was just calculating my mileage and I think I did about 65,000 miles this year which is about 40,000 miles too much. But it was because we started two new companies this year and the goal was to spread the message to other chiros, to help raise the bar in pediatric and pregnancy care. You know, the company that we started, myself, Dr. Kristina Stitcher and Dr. Skip Wyss, is called Practice Evolution Prime. This program is a 12-month program online-based with frequent consulting calls between the three of us.


It's there to help set the standard, not necessarily about practice building for chiros but about setting the standard in care delivery for principled pediatric care. That means that, for example, if you're a chiropractor and you want to learn how to take care of kids, this program takes the baseline information that you may have learned from school, that you may have learned through ICPA. And it brings it up to the level of experts. It's not a program for everybody but we really want people who are invested in taking care of kids to give it a look and see what they see.


I've also spent a good amount of my time this year on the road with Dr. Steve Hoffman in Chiropractic Mastery. My primary analysis and practice is MC2. I love it, based on Torque release but it also has some overtones at BGI, MLS, NSA. It allows us to deliver a specific adjustment at the right place and the right time with the appropriate intensity to allow our patients to do this in perpetuity without needing chiropractors for the rest of our lives. To be fair, I mean, I still see wellness patients every two weeks because that's the way that I like to see these patients. But I find the longer my patients under care, the less they need chiropractic because their nervous systems are working perfectly. That's the point.


Lindsey: Yeah. That's brilliant.


Dan: So, yeah, there you have it.


Lindsey: I want to ask you. I didn't tell you. I was going to ask you this. But what do you think will be or should be the biggest step that we need to take to shift the birth world or birth as it is in our country?


Dan: You mean chiros or just "we" in general?


Lindsey: "We" in general.


Dan: Yeah. Well, okay. So I can tell you what I've done, and I don't know if this is for everybody but certainly, I think, it may set the tone. In my practice, the biggest thing that I've done to help my patients and help my team was to stop accepting assignment on managed care providers or third parties, insurance, et cetera. And I know a lot of people are like, "Man, that sucks. I want to have access. I pay for this insurance and I'm not getting it."


Lindsey: Right. But explain it because, yeah, they don't get the big picture.


Dan: Yeah. And I know, believe me, I know it because I've done working groups with my patients almost every single year for the past six years. My best patients, they're like, "We love what you do here. We love this practice but I have a hard time referring people to your practice because you're too expensive." Now, again, if you're a doctor, this is probably going to make a lot of sense to you. But if you're a patient or you're just a momma who's interested in learning about this stuff, the reason that I say this is because doctors have completely lost the ability to do what they're trained to do when they're controlled by a third party, okay? Now, even if your doctor is taking insurance, okay, I'll say you're Blue Shield beneficiary and your doctor is a Blue Shield provider in your network. Blue Shield is going to tell your doctor what he can and can't do. So yeah, maybe you have no out-of-pocket expense, but you're not getting the best care because the doctors are playing the algorithm based on whether or not he can get paid, which is really freaking dangerous, okay?


As a chiropractor, especially in the State of California, Covered California does not cover chiropractic care. It covers E&M codes, meaning exams and whatever, but it doesn't cover the actual adjustment which makes absolutely no sense. Anybody who signed up was duped into signing up for Covered California because they thought they had chiropractic care now has absolutely no way of getting care unless they pay out of pocket. So now they're paying their premium and they're paying out of pocket for care.


When you have this type of care as we talked about before, it's not cheap and convenient to be healthy in this culture, and it's unfortunate. So till we have a truly, I don't want to say universal healthcare, but until we have a truly universal system that acknowledges that the doctor-patient relationship is more important than a third party middleman, the patients who want to really have the benefits of this lifestyle have to make that investment in the appropriate providers. And if that means they pay their midwife or a home birth at $5000 a pop. I mean Jeanne was more cavalier about it. She's like, "If you can't afford it, take a loan out. This is the most important thing that's going to happen."


Lindsey: Yeah, she's funny about that.


Dan: She's super funny about it. Well, I mean, talked about Jeanne Ohm, love it. Yeah, six home births, four unassisted. That's heavy duty. But yeah, I think that's the mindset, the shift.


Lindsey: Yeah, totally.


Dan: Quoting the book that you made me read. What an amazing book. But that's the mindset, the paradigm shift that we really have to go under and it comes from taking ownership of our own health.


Lindsey: Yeah. That's good.


Dan: Okay, taking ownership of our own health, not being reactive, but actually being proactive so that we don't need medicine unless it's an absolute emergency.


I think, honestly, Linds, we're going to have to hit rock bottom before that happens. It's unfortunate because as a chiropractor, I'm going to try to soften the blow but a lot of people are going to get hurt. And it's already happening. Look at the opioid epidemic in California and the rest of the country. I mean, everybody is strung out on opioids because we play this game that's very dangerous for their health. It's about doing whatever we want, living fast, dying young, and then taking medicine to try to solve the symptom later without fixing the problem. So that's my word of advice. If you're a chiropractor out there, my best advice is to make sure you're making care accessible and as affordable as you can so people can get themselves out of purgatory, out of slavery, and start getting healthy.


Lindsey: Awesome. I love that. Okay. So last question.


Dan: Sure.


Lindsey: Three things you would share or offer as advice for a mom and her family going through the motherhood transition.


Dan: Yeah, I mean, I'd back it up all the way to mom and dad are starting to think about getting pregnant.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Dan: Yeah, I have a couple of mommas here in preconception phase right now and we're working through that.


Okay, so three pieces of advice. Number one, with all of my moms, when we do a preconception or pregnancy or postpartum consult, if I've never met the momma before, the first question I ask is, "Describe your vision of your birth. Describe your ideal birthing situation. I'm not talking about insurance. I'm not talking about any of these other stuff. How do you envision your birth?" And that takes mommas by a surprise because they haven't had a think about that before. In most cases, nobody asked those questions.


Lindsey: Yeah, very rarely have they thought about it.


Dan: Yeah, nobody has asked them the question. I mean, the birth plan I was standing like, birth planning comes later. It's "How do you see this happening?" That sets the tone so that we can provide the appropriate care, we can find the appropriate team members, and then just knock all the dominos down in succession. So that's number one.


Number two, if you're in this mode, talk with your partner. Interview a ton of different providers. You make sure you feel good about the direction that you're going in. I tell people all the time, even when it comes to chiropractic, if your bullshit detector is going off, you're probably right. So hone that bullshit detector and really feel at home with the providers that choose midwife, OB, doula, whatever, okay?


And then number three, it's a shameless plug, like you've got to have a chiro on your team. You absolutely have to have a chiro.


Lindsey: Absolutely!


Dan: And so the sooner that you're under care with somebody who is trained in pregnancy, the better your outcomes are going to be statistically. I mean, we know that births, moms that are under care, under Webster specific care tend to be about a third less lengthy. Later times they shrink, outcomes improve, and that's because the chiros are so well-trained. They're the only ones who are trained to make sure that baby has everything that he or she needs to find the exit when the time comes. Birth trauma decreases both to mom and baby. Intervention decreases. It's so, so, so prudent. I mean if you need to find the appropriate recommendations, obviously, I mean, go to BIRTHFIT. I mean, the BIRTHFIT providers are all topnotch, incredible people. I'm honored and privileged to share the professional certification with everybody on that list. Go to ICPA. Look for providers in your area that are at minimum Webster-certified. That's the standard of care in chiropractic pregnancy care. Honestly, like if you don't know who to go to, call my office and I'll find you a referral.


Lindsey: Yeah, totally. I mean, that's all the referrals that are our chiros on the BIRTHFIT page. They all have to be Webster-certified.


Dan: Yeah, as they should be. As they should be. So we have a better certification program that raises the standard, which I don't think is ever going to happen because Webster is so comprehensive. That's the standard of care and it's being topped by living legend right now. So if you're not Webster-certified, you got to get out there and get that done first thing.


Lindsey: Yeah. Well, awesome. Okay. Remind people where they can find you at.


Dan: Sure. You can go to my website, It's You can call our office at 805-481-1566. Whether you're in California or not, it doesn't matter. You want to get an appointment with my office, I'm happy to talk to you. If not, you're not in the area, you can't make it up to San Luis, I'll find you a referral. The advantage that docs like Lindsey and I and many of our friends have is that we talk a lot of people, so we will find the right provider for you and go from there.


And check out the KiddoCast on iTunes, Android, and wherever you get awesome podcast.


Lindsey: Awesome. Thanks so much for hanging out, Dan.


Dan: Thank you for having me, Linds. Love you lots. Thank you.


Lindsey: Yeah. All right, my lovelies, I know there was no room for any fluff in there. That was full of information. You may even have to go back and listen to this episode again. Like I said, if you want to reach out to Dr. Dan, do not hesitate. His website is


If there's one thing to take away from this episode, Dan touched on it, and it is to be an advocate for your own health. You are the person in control of your body. You are the person in control of your thoughts, your actions, your life, your birth team, all of that good stuff. Even though I'm living in California where people are trying to take away personal freedom rights, that's weird, but yeah, even though there's that happening, you still have to stand up for who you are, what you believe in, your personal health care philosophy, especially if you're embarking on this motherhood transition and maybe you and your partner have not had any personal healthcare philosophy discussions, spend some time. Write it down, come together, brainstorm, meet in the middle.


I'll use vaccinations as a hot topic because. Why not? Like if you know that you don't want to vaccinate and maybe your partner does or hasn't researched as much as you, start thinking about that now prior to pregnancy, prior to conception because those are the types of conversations you're going to need to have. And it's much better to have these conversations, these really tough conversations about what to do when kiddo has a cold. Okay, do we go the antibiotic route or do we go the apple cider vinegar, hot water, lemon route type of thing? These conversations are much better had without fear, without heavy emotions, without either party being reactive. So think about that. Think about where you stand in your health care philosophy. Think about where your partner stands and then come together and start to discuss in a loving, loving, loving way. So be an advocate for your own health and your body and determine your values.


Yeah, listen to this episode again. It is full of information. And enjoy the rest of your week.

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Postpartum Nutrition Gameplan

Proper postpartum nutrition is important for both mom and baby.  Especially if mom is breastfeeding or healing from a c-section, mom needs to ensure she is getting enough nutrients for proper tissue healing and breastmilk production.  Sometimes mom gets forgotten about or mom forgets to nourish herself.  Creating a plan during pregnancy can take the stress out of nutrition during the early postpartum period.  Below are some suggestions to consider when creating your own plan for postpartum nutrition:

  • Meal trains are a great way to organize home-cooked meals delivered to your door by loved ones.  They can be created on Facebook pages, emails, or even by the Meal Train website!  You can set one up for yourself or have a friend take the lead.  Be sure to tell your loved ones if you have any food sensitivities or allergies.  

    • Note:  this option may not be the best if you or your family members have food sensitivities, unless your loved ones are versed in cooking to accommodate those.

  • Crock pot meals.  Have you seen New Leaf Wellness?  This takes meal prepping to a whole new level.   This blogger has meal plans that provide a grocery list, recipes, and labels for freezer Crock Pot meals.  All of the ingredients go into a labeled freezer zip-lock bag and frozen until used.  Pick out a meal the night before, let it thaw, and put it into your Crock Pot to have a nice hot meal in 6-8 hours.  For me personally, this was the best thing I did to plan for postpartum.

    • Note:  this will save you time and money in the long run, but requires a lot of time to prepare.

  • Freeze meals, soups, and stews ahead of time.  During the last month or two leading up to your guess date, make a little extra of what you are cooking every once and a while and freeze half.  Chilis, soups, stews, and bone broth are great to have on hand.  You can also do this with homemade breads (banana bread), egg casseroles, pot roasts, etc.  Look into proper preparation to freeze each of these and be sure to label everything with the freeze date.    

    • Note:  this option is great for those who meal prep!

  • Stock up on favorites.  If there are non-perishable household favorites (think almond butter, Rx bars, coconut oil), grab some extra at the store leading up to your guess date so that you don’t run out in the first month or two postpartum.  Think about what quick snacks you would like to have on hand, especially if you are planning to breastfeed.  

  • Thrive market.  If you are unfamiliar with Thrive Market, it is membership based online store with great prices on natural, organic groceries. Shipping is free for all orders over $49 and those who are new to Thrive Market, can try it out for free with their no-commitment 30-day free trial. There are free products with minimum purchases available a few times each week.  This is a great way to get natural, organic groceries into your kitchen at a great price without having to leave the house!

  • Join a CSA.  A weekly subscription to locally-sourced foods will cut out time spent at the grocery store.  Your partner or another loved oneyou could pick up your share and drop it off on their way home.  Some offer additional products that can be purchased when your share is picked up.  Not only will this save you time, but it will bring locally sourced produce (and meats depending on your options) into your home.

  • Check out Instacart.  This company will deliver groceries in one hour for $7.99 or 2+ hours for $5.99.  If this is available at your favorite grocery store, this is a small price to pay to not have to pack up a newborn (and possibly more littles) to have whatever you need delivered to your door!

  • Lastly, never be afraid to ask visitors to bring food over when they come by!  People want to help.  Let them ☺

Candace Gesicki, DC

BIRTHFIT Cleveland Regional Director


Breathing is an Innate Skill


Take a deep breath.

Seems simple right? For many of us breath isn't something we spend much time thinking about. We breathe all the time. Breath is a necessity to life, without it we can't survive. Breathing is something we naturally do, it is an innate skill . Yet breath holds so much more power than we acknowledge.


Breath can hold the key to mastery of so many things. For a runner to be successful, they have to be mindful of their breathing. Watch a weightlifter prepare to lift heavy: breath is an essential part of their success. An archer or marksman uses their breath for accurate shooting. For mothers preparing for labor and delivery, different techniques of breathing are visited. Meditation uses the breath to connect the mind, body, and spirit.


Breath is so powerful yet most of us take it for granted. What if all of us focused on breath for just a few moments in our day?


Pause. Take a few DEEP belly breaths in through your nose and out through your mouth.

This can help you clear your mind, create space so that you feel in control of yourself, reset your day, or ground your thoughts.


Many of us struggle with belly breathing.Various aspects of our lifestyle have actually caused us to unlearn this innate skill and create compensation patterns. Watch an infant breathe and you will see their belly rise and fall. This is what ideal breath patterns looks like. We want to fill our lungs ALL the way to the bottom which requires your belly, not your chest, to rise. For more information on proper belly breathing check out these videos from BIRTHFIT headquarters:



Supine Abdominal Breathing


Belly Breathing



By relearning ideal breathing patterns we can then apply it to areas of our life that we want to evolve in..Start your morning or end your day with a meditation practice.


If your morning is crazy and involves getting the family ready and kids dropped off to school, give yourself the space to take a few breaths (possibly while sitting in your now quiet car) to reset to take on the rest of your day! Check out the apps EXPECTFUL and HEADSPACE to help guide you.

Feeling your tension, stress or anger rising? Breathe!

Want to become better at your sport? Incorporate your breath.

Using your breath to to improve areas of your life will take practice. The time you put into learning proper breathing and applying it will pay off! Promise! So practice, practice, practice.

Harness the full power of breath and become the Master of YOU!


Kim Mason



BIRTHFIT Podcast Episode 91 featuring Dr. Lindsey Mathews, Dr. Erica Boland, and Magic Mel




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Do you ever need help planning meals? Do you ever run out of time for prep work, things like that? I know I do and life gets a little crazy. That's where Eating Clean, Cooking Dirty comes in, brought to you by Sam Rodgers, the mom behind the plans. Her company Eating Clean, Cooking Dirty offers three different plans which you can sign up for only $13 a month or $99 a year. There's a Super Clean plan, there's an 80/20 plan, and then there's a Quick Prep menu, which is basically 60 minutes or less of prep time at the beginning of the week.


So check it out,, and all BIRTHFIT listeners will receive a 14-day free trial and a 15-minute jumpstart call with the one and only Sam Rodgers. So BIRTHFIT moms or dads, or anybody else listening, this is a super simple solution to maybe if things are boring in the kitchen, you run out of time, you just need help spicing things up in the kitchen with a little creativity, Sam Rodgers of Eating Clean, Cooking Dirty has some answers for you. So go check her out.


All right, guys, I'm super excited to announce our new sponsor, Well Labs. Well Labs is an online nutrition company working to make high-quality nutrition and preventative medicine available to everybody. Well Labs will take complicated functional medicine and they put it into terms that you and I can understand. Well Labs are evidence-based. They're high quality and there are no fillers, dyes or sugars. And want to know the cool thing? Part of every Well Labs purchase funds preventative medicine for kids who cannot afford it. This is anything from music therapy and yoga to meditation and cooking classes because we're all convinced that healthier kids will make healthy adults.


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Hello, BIRTHFIT. This is your founder, Dr. Lindsey Mathews. Hopefully you know my voice by now. I found this special episode in the vault. Well, actually, Machete found it in the vault. This is a gym, and this is myself, Magic Mel, and Dr. Erica Boland after the last BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar of 2017, maybe after one too many ciders. So I wanted to give you a glimpse into some of our discussions, what we thought about the year, how we wanted to evolve and then as we played the Girls Gone WOD game of Would You Rather. So this is a super fun episode and I wanted to leave you with it for the holiday season and to close out 2017, and I hope you enjoy it very much.


We are recording live in a hotel room in Naperville, Illinois. I almost said Naperville, Chicago. I have no idea where we are. We're in the Midwest somewhere. We are done with Day One of the BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar and this seminar will complete our seminars for 2017. Yeah, crazy. But yeah, I'm sitting here with Magic Mel. What up?


Mel: What up?


Lindsey: And Erica Boland.


Erica: Hello!


Lindsey: Yeah, so we're rocking this seminar, the BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar here in Chicago/Naperville/CrossFit thunderbolt, Oswego -- I don't even know if that's how you say it -- in Illinois. Notice I did not add the S, I know how to say Illinois, not Illinois. But yeah, how are we doing, Mel?


Mel: We're so good. We just had a wonderful dinner, nectars. Again, it's going to be like Dallas all over. No, it's not.


Lindsey: No, you had tequila, I had cider.


Mel: No, I had gin. Boland had tequila. You had cider and a pretzel bun.


Lindsey: I got really crazy with the glutens.


Mel: You ate all the glutens tonight.


Erica: Mel got labeled BIRTHFIT Head Marketing.


Lindsey: Marketing Director tonight at the local bar, it's true.


Mel: They're all male.


Lindsey: Yeah, I don't think we talked to any female possible clients tonight but all males.


Mel: In fact, and or swinging for the other team. So they're not in the business appropriation, anyway. He gave me two French fries, one for my friend.


Lindsey: A friend fry. Oh. How are we doing, Erica?


Erica: Good, we're doing well. It's nice to be so close to home. Yet, a flight is easier than a four-hour drive. But it's nice to be so close to home especially when it's 80 in October around here. You brought the weather with you, Mathews, I'm thankful.


Lindsey: I try. I try to travel warm wherever I go.


Erica: Noted.


Lindsey: So you're both part of the originally BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar in Venice, California. So what do we think? This is the last one of 2017. We're just super comfortable on the hotel bed right now, king-size. What do we think? What do we got? It's literally been a year of seminars, so what are we feeling? Okay, speechless.


Mel: Yeah, it made me a little bit speechless, right? Like holy shit, it's been a year? Like, yeah, what was that, February?


Erica: February, we just sat on the couch in Dallas and did the podcast in Dallas.


Mel: Yeah. So end of January was the Venice seminar. Okay. We were talking today, the how did we do this in three days? Yeah. So originally it was a three-day seminar that is now two.


Lindsey: Two full days, 8:00 to 6:00 p.m.


Mel: Yeah, real full days but so [0:10:01] [Indiscernible] and intentional and we just cut the fluff. Not that there was a ton of it but…


Lindsey: Less talk, more rock, yes. But we really could elaborate on everything here.


Mel: It's true.


Erica: It's a whole weekend, like each topic could be a whole weekend in itself.


Lindsey: Yeah. But how are we feeling about the seminar now?


Erica: Good.


Mel: Generally speaking of the two-day seminar or this one in particular?


Lindsey: Generally speaking about the two-day seminar.


Mel: Yeah, real good.


Erica: I like it. It makes it more efficient but still the same space is created, people are able to connect and open up within two days. Some groups right away, some groups by the end, but for everybody that gives their time to travel and be here, it's just…


Lindsey: Not have to take off work.


Erica: Yeah. I think it's a little bit easier, like a lot of these people that are coming are parents or somewhere in the motherhood transition themselves.


Lindsey: It allows them space to do that.


Erica: Yeah. As well as make sure that we have our shit dialed in.


Lindsey: Yeah, for sure. So we just got finished with Day One, what do you think are the big topics that we cover, Day One?


Mel: I guess one of the biggest things that I think about is turning around the aspect where its culture that we have of prenatal and postpartum, where prenatal women are fragile -- that's not what we think -- but that prenatal women are fragile and that postpartum women tend to rush back, like we're going to hurry up and get back to pre-baby body. And I think we do a good job of setting that straight in Day One where we talk about how fucking amazing the female body is and how it's the ultimate expression of female fitness, and then on postpartum, that this is the time, the sacred time to honor and to really set the foundation for that future self to be an even better more evolved version as a mother.


Lindsey: Right. I think core is pretty important.


Erica: Well, yeah, I'm a little bit biased about that. But at this seminar we've got a good representation of Wisconsin so it will be interesting to see how that's implemented in the gyms that I know. But yeah, totally related though because a lot of the core fitness or core what we think is function now is wholly based on aesthetics and six-pack and pre-baby body back and doesn't truly take us back to the way that we were born to move and move in with intention.


Lindsey: Yeah. I love our developmental kinesiology, that section, like showing how all human beings, no matter where they are in this world, they learn to move through the same developmental milestones.


Erica: Yeah, it's almost like it's a hidden secret for people, like they want to know what do I during pregnancy to make sure that I yadi-yada, to keep their pre-baby body, and what do I do postpartum to get back to… It's like no, let's work on some mindset but also the reason that BIRTHFIT trains the core similarly in both is because it doesn't matter, male or female or where you are, born to move the same.


Lindsey: What do you all think about birth history? We cover that in our seminars, just in case you haven't been to a seminar and don't know.


Erica: I dove into birth history when I was pregnant with our second son.


Lindsey: Oh, that's brave.


Erica: Well, it was not really brave. I was going in blind and like infuriating. But the universe put me next to this retired OB in my plane flight home from North Carolina, and he saw my BIRTHFIT bag and he's like "Do you get women fit for birth?" So if any of you know Dr. Andrew Good and how I can get a hold of him because I did not actually get his information, let me know. But he was an OB in Chicago, he talked about how his friend that he would cover for that was trained in hypnosis, that these women would come in and they'd have their babies and that was it, and it was just so simple. And then he came back, worked at Mayo and did clinical OB or Gynecology where they did like pelvic floor rehab and treated women two to three times a day for three to five days to reduce pelvic myalgia, like severe pain. And then volunteered at Planned Parenthood, and I was like, "If only we could get more birth workers like that, that are so connected to the way that we're actually supposed to birth." But you look at the history and it's like shit, it's a business, here we are but we're cleaning it up, yeah.


Lindsey: Yeah, we're cleaning up the mess.


What do you think about the birth history? Do you think it's relevant in our seminars?


Mel: Yeah, 100%. Especially because we're trained to change that collective consciousness of birth, and you have to know where you've been to know like where you are and where you want to go.


Lindsey: Where you got to go.


Mel: Yeah. So it's crazy to me to look at these seemingly small influences that have just completely turned the tides of culture. Like you get like one guy, Joseph DeLee, to say it's amazing that women make it out of birth alive, it's considered a pathology, and like how that completely transformed, like just one guy's opinion transformed everything. But also kind of inspiring in the fact that like one small group like us.


Lindsey: One small/future huge BIRTHFIT movement can change, influence the tides, yeah. So on that note, what do you see for BIRTHFIT in the future? What are your goals for BIRTHFIT?


Mel: To be a household thing, like everyone has heard about it.


Lindsey: Everybody knows my goals, what are your goals?


Mel: My goals for BIRTHFIT? Oh, damn.


Lindsey: No, that's good, household name.


Mel: Household name, yeah.


Erica: [0:16:37] [Indiscernible].


Mel: Yeah. Are you kicking off your cowboy boots right now? No, no. No, those stay on no matter what. Yeah, okay, so household name that at least one person on every single gym in the United States knows what the functional progression is and why to use it, like where and how to use it. And/or they just incorporate it throughout all their classes, in their movement practice.


Lindsey: So many gyms are incorporating it now, like especially after they've gone to our seminar, it's really rad to see them change their on-ramp/intro sessions. Fuck, yeah.


Mel: Actually, so Karianne today mentioned that she's like, "The stuff just makes sense for humans." Yeah, you got it.


Lindsey: Nailed it.


Mel: That was a secret. Us humans, we all have cores and pelvic floors, and/or just cores because the pelvic floor is part of the core.


Lindsey: Yeah. What about you?


Erica: As much as I am a huge component for the postpartum period, I totally love to see what's happening within our own community as far as like women truly becoming educated in the forum. It's so much more than just having a baby and checking the box, that like marriage, check, baby, check. We did things in the opposite direction.


Mel: So did I.


Erica: Like seriously, just options and education, and yeah, the functional progression and all the core stuff. It's hard to even answer that question because there's so much potential for change, like take a step back and realize the impact that that's having on other generations is pretty sweet. I mean, realistically, like the babies hospitals that have this whole baby safe campaign and they label themselves as baby safe, it's kind of like what the hell were you before. But like anything, like a gym, hospital, birth center, midwife, like BIRTHFIT, BIRTHFIT center, BIRTHFIT hospital, BIRTHFIT whatever, like we have to be holding ourselves to these standards across the board.


Lindsey: That's legit.


Erica: So just changing humans, for sure.


Lindsey: Yeah. I see it like a trusted brand that people turn to, like oh, shit, I just peed on a stick. I'm pregnant. BIRTHFIT. Like that's where I go, that's where I go to find my care provider, that's where I go to find my coach, that's where I go to find my regional director, that's where I go to do the online programming, that's where I go to find the podcast, whatever, whatever, because that's the brand that's known and trusted.


Erica: That's where I go to come as I am judgment-free and get like true information, empowerment, support, tribe.


Lindsey: Heck, yeah, #tribe, BIRTHFIT tribe, awesome. So we're 15 minutes in to this podcast.


Erica: Is that all?


Lindsey: Yup. Our friends over at Girls Gone WOD posted about the Would You Rather game, and I don't know if anybody remembers this game in college. No, no, no, would you rather. I'm not sure what they're referring to right now because I tried to click on their Insta Stories and I couldn't see anything that Claire was doing.


Erica: There's a rocket ship and that could mean many things.


Lindsey: Yeah, and the internet is not really working too good here where we're at in the middle of nowhere.


Erica: Well, yeah, we do. Also, I would just like to point out that Mel and I came up with let's do the Would You Rather thing at the same time Girls Gone WOD did, so the universe is all so connected.


Lindsey: Oh, here we go. So their first question is: Would you rather wake up tomorrow and be fluent in -- oh, these are clean.


Erica: Bastards.


Lindsey: So BIRTHFIT always involves sex.


Erica: FY in your eye.


Lindsey: So would you rather wake up tomorrow and be fluent in a new language in bed or be able to play a new instrument in bed?


Erica: New instrument, for sure.


Mel: Big words, for sure.


Lindsey: Language wins on their game.


Erica: It does. Instrument, guitar, naked in bed. Hands down, sold.


Lindsey: Would you rather -- these are good starters -- they're clean.


Mel: I would not wear panties to bed.


Lindsey: Next question, would you rather win the CrossFit games or coach an athlete who wins the CrossFit games? I would rather win the CrossFit games.


Erica: Yeah, I would too.


Mel: We're doers.


Lindsey: We're doers. All right, next question.


Erica: I would coach you for sure.


Mel: Okay. This is all on Girls Gone WOD. Would you rather never be able to travel again or never live in the same place for more than one week?


Mel: That's a good one.


Lindsey: Never stay in the same place once.


Erica: Yeah, I think that would be me too, because it was like I think it was a year ago I asked Kyle if we could sell everything and go off the grid and buy an RV and he's like, "Whoa! Let's just add a little more travel in your life," and then guess what?


Lindsey: Here we go.


Erica: Here we are.


Lindsey: BIRTHFIT tours.


Erica: Thank you, universe.


Lindsey: What would you do, live in the same place or never live in the same place for more than one week?


Mel: Oh, man, I probably would travel, to be honest. The internet is shit in Wisconsin, I'd never be able to see you guys, but I would travel with my family. Is that included?


Lindsey: Okay, maybe.


Erica: I hope so.


Mel: It better be.


Lindsey: Ooh, this one is terrible. Would you rather do 1000 burpees or run a marathon?


Erica: Run a marathon.


Mel: Burpees.


Lindsey: I was going to say burpees too.


Mel: Wait, is there a time limit?


Lindsey: It's 50-50.


Mel: We used to dole out punishment to our children in burpees, and Oliver, I'm not shitting you, had 700 to do on a Saturday at some point. So I looked at him and I'm like, "Ah, I could do a thousand."


Lindsey: Oh, my God.


Mel: Seven-year old compared to a thousand at our age.


Lindsey: It's so true.


Erica: Yeah, because we used do like time yourself how many burpees can you do or how long does it take you to do a hundred burpees.


Lindsey: At least seven minutes. Did you ever do the CrossFit open workout seven minutes of burpees? I did 106 burpees in that.


Mel: Are you kidding me? I beat you by one. That was my first open workout ever. I did 107 and then I repeated it and I got 107.


Lindsey: Ah, why would you repeat it?


Mel: Because I thought I could get like one more.


Erica: We used to do it all the time, Kyle and I. There's a video of us having a competition when we first opened our practice, like we would do as many burpees as there were likes and then compete for time. So maybe I would rather do the hundred burpees, I don't know, marathon.


Mel: A thousand.


Erica: A thousand shit.


Lindsey: Erica just likes running.


Erica: I did.


Mel: I like running fast for a really, really short period of time.


Erica: You're a gazelle.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Erica: If I had legs like that I'd run real fast too.


Lindsey: All right, would you rather. Nope, there's not another one so we're going to take it to the BIRTHFIT world.


Erica: They forgot to add, in bed, or marathon in bed and then hands-down I'm doing a marathon.


Lindsey: That doesn't make any sense. A sex marathon, okay.


Mel: How doesn't that make sense?


Lindsey: Well, you can't compare it to a burpee marathon, a burpee sex marathon.


Mel: That's weird.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Mel: Okay, so a BIRTHFIT would you rather. Would you rather be pregnant for twice as long or have four babies at once, or an 18-month pregnancy?


Erica: I liked being pregnant, you could still sleep when you're pregnant, most of the time. Four babies, like four infants, to take care of at one time.


Mel: I was thinking it because twins, they happen more regularly than quadruplets happen. Yeah, okay, that wasn't a good Would You Rather.


Lindsey: It was great. I don't know because I've never experienced either, so I would think having four come out at once would probably be better than being pregnant for 18 months. I don't know. Twins run in the family so I'm kind of comfortable with that idea.


Mel: Boland thinks she [0:27:45] [Indiscernible] inappropriate for this game. Mathews, do you have any Would You Rathers?


Lindsey: I don't know. Would you rather shit all during all labor or throw up all during labor? I've seen this happen. You've both been there so what would you rather do?


Erica: That was like you last weekend.


Lindsey: It was coming out of both ends last week for me, for sure. But I would like to close up one hole during labor.


Erica: I would say I would rather shit during labor because puking is fucking awful. I puked all during Terryn's labor.


Lindsey: Do you hate puking?


Erica: I hate puking and I hate puke. I don't do puke.


Lindsey: I don't mind puking.


Erica: I hate puking. It feels like it's never going to end.


Lindsey: I hate puking and shitting at the same time.


Erica: I got you a bucket. I mommed you.


Lindsey: Yeah, you did, thank you. What about you, Mel?


Mel: Yes. I can't breathe and I always blow blood vessels in my eyes when I throw up so I would rather shit the entire time.


Lindsey: Really?


Mel: Yeah. It's got to stop. Like you can dry heave constantly but the shit does eventually does stop. That's my hope.


Erica: You've only got it so much. And if you're shitting literally all during labor, then that means you'll labor at fast. It doesn't necessarily mean that it's less intense, might be more intense. This is all about birth education, folks.


Lindsey: You got another one?


Mel: I'm trying to think of like a postpartum one.

Lindsey: Would you rather bleed for six weeks or have urinary incontinence for three months?


Mel: I know, six weeks is like pretty average.


Lindsey: But every single day till the six-week mark at least.


Mel: I'm sorry. I want to say I bled for like three to four weeks, or urinary incontinence.


Lindsey: Urinary incontinence for like three months, then it heals all of a sudden during the functional progression.


Mel: That's also pretty accurate.


Lindsey: One or the other, that's what you get.


Mel: I get both apparently. Which would I rather have gone first? Probably the bleeding.


Erica: Samesies, because the thought of urinary incontinence isn't really appealing and I'm not really going to be all about having sex that soon anyway. So whatever. I think I had bleeding for like four to six weeks after, anyway.


Lindsey: Each one?


Erica: I don't think I did with Maclin maybe because I slowed down a fucking bit. But the other ones, yeah.


Lindsey: Slow is fast.


Erica: Slow is real fast, yeah.


Mel: Okay. Would you rather have a completely euphoric birth or a baby who sleeps through the night right away?


Lindsey: Euphoric birth.


Erica: Is that like orgasmic birth?


Lindsey: I would love to have an orgasmic birth and videotape that shit.


Mel: For the YouTubes.


Lindsey: Kim Kardashian, watch out.


Erica: It is. Terryn slept through the night from a week-old and I don't remember what that means.


Lindsey: Yeah, how long is the sleep deprivation?


Erica: Oh, my God, Maclin's sleep deprivation was for like over 18 months because I didn't sleep through the night for the last bit of pregnancy and then he didn't sleep through the night till he was 18 months old. So I like sleep now.


Mel: Yeah. My kids apparently will only sleep through the night when I'm gone. I left for six weeks of training and like right around the time that Hank turned one and that's the first time that he started sleeping through the night. He's like "Oh, Dad, I love you so much." Just wait till Mom comes back, it will all be back.


Erica: How does that even work? How do the dads to this?


Mel: I hear dads are magic, no. I don't know. Yeah. So #BIRTHFIT dads, if you have any hints on how you get kids to do stuff like that, like sleep through the night for you, just let us know. We're all ears.


Erica: Speaking of BIRTHFIT dads, [0:33:38] [Indiscernible].


Mel: Adab and KB.


Erica: Does Adab have any [0:33:48] [Indiscernible]?


Mel: He does not. He doesn't have a single tattoo actually. Anthony doesn't have a single tattoo.


Lindsey: Anthony, right back at you.


Mel: Actually, sitting here with our better halves, the Mel and the EB with fresh tats, fresh out the blocks.


Lindsey: Erica got a new tattoo, that's what she's saying.


Erica: I got a new tattoo; Mel got a new tattoo one week after me. We didn't even know they were scheduled.


Mel: And Marissa, from the seminar.


Erica: Has a dove and a sweet pea flower tattooed on her which are basically our tattoos. She didn't know she's best friends with us.


Lindsey: Whoa, yeah. You're all are totally quiet right now and they were not quiet 20 minutes ago.


Erica: Why don't you give us your sales pitch, Mel, for those listeners that want to know more about BIRTHFIT programming and BIRTHFIT pillars? Give us your sales pitch.


Mel: It was pretty funny. So we met some gents at the bar where we also ate some food and they asked us, "So, is this polaroid camera your business?" and I was like, "Fuck, no. Actually we do a lot of things but particularly right now, this weekend, we're working with coaches in helping them support their athletes with the motherhood transition." And he wanted to guess what the four pillars were and he even had little images to help him guess and he couldn't get in.


Lindsey: Jesus, what world is he living in?


Mel: I don't know. But you know what's really funny, he was like okay, fitness, nutrition, mindset, those all work together but chiropractic is way out of the picture. He's like it doesn't fit, and I was like "Then you don't know BIRTHFIT." Yeah, so he thought I was the marketing person which is like if you know anything about me you know that's not my strength. Pretty much the furthest thing until you've had a gin and tonic or two, nectars of the gods.


Lindsey: Would you rather see Jack Johnson in concert or Ben Harper?


Erica: Jack, he's so special to my heart.


Lindsey: I'm totally changing the subject because they're going off the deep end over here.


Mel: Are we going off the deep end? I'm sorry, okay. Well, we all know that you're madly in love with Ben Harper and Boland is madly in love with Jack Johnson, a.k.a. KB, Kyle Boland.


Erica: Yeah, Kyle, if you're listening, Mel told me tonight that she thinks that you look like Jack Johnson and that was some major brownie points your way.


Mel: Right, like if you shaved. Do you see it? I feel like I see it.


Erica: Yes! Abso-freaking-lutely.


Lindsey: So what's your answer, Jack Johnson or Ben Harper?


Mel: I think because Ben's songs are so sad, I'd go with Jack.


Lindsey: Sad?


Mel: Yeah. Doesn't he have like Brick? Is that what that was called?


Lindsey: No.


Mel: Like he's drowning slowly?


Lindsey: No.


Mel: Who sang that song?


Lindsey: Not him.


Mel: No, I swear. It's like about miscarriage or something, doesn't he have a song?


Lindsey: I'm going to play you a Ben Harper song. I don't know what world Mel has been living in but…


Erica: Jack Johnson is the answer to that question.


Mel: I'm a something and I'm drowning slowly, right?


Lindsey: Yeah, not it.


Mel: That's Ben Harper, I swear it's Ben Harper.


Lindsey: No. No, I got to give Mel a freaking Ben Harper song.


Mel: I'm telling you his songs are depressing.


Erica: Bathe in patchouli or smoke a palo santo stick? They both sound so great.


Lindsey: They sound great, Jesus.


Erica: Patchouli and I have a bad experience in telesummit.




Erica: He's good, too, but Jack Johnson is just so special to my heart. Hawaiian, even better. Yeah, he's from Hawaii. She's dancing right now. Sing it, girl.


Lindsey: We used to sneak in to Ben Harper.


Erica: More BIRTHFIT, do you think we could get him shout out, like "Jack and Ben, Austin, June 2018. See you there."


Lindsey: Maybe. Ryan Bingham, we'll see you there, too. Ryan Bingham is like my one get out of jail free card.


Mel: Does that mean the one person that Logan will let you have sex with?


Lindsey: I think so.


Erica: You got the permission, huh?


Lindsey: Yeah. This is my favorite Ryan Bingham cover. Who would be your one get out of jail free card?


Erica: That escalated really quickly.


Lindsey: We're here now and the battery is going to cut low soon so you got to answer.


Erica: I'm going to have to sit, like are you asking for me?


Mel: Yeah, or who would you give Kyle permission and then who would you ask permission for?


Erica: I guess I would ask permission for Jack Johnson.


Lindsey: Jesus, you do love Jack Johnson.


Erica: I don't know, I haven't thought about this. Who would I give Kyle permission?


Lindsey: I don't know who I'd give Logan permission, there's not anybody that cool out there. I might give Logan permission for Mel. He does like Mel.


Mel: Oh, my gosh!


Erica: That escalated really quickly.


Lindsey: But I don't know if that will be his choice.


Mel: Yeah, [0:41:05] [Indiscernible] just so you know.


Lindsey: We're going full circle.


Erica: I haven't been hit on by a white man in like so long.


Lindsey: Me neither, till Logan.


Erica: Oh, it was so great, that's so great.


Lindsey: Who would be your get out of jail free?


Mel: For Anthony?


Lindsey: No, for you.


Mel: I'm not signing the permission slip?


Lindsey: No, like you would wish that you would ask for the permission. It can be anybody.


Erica: It can be me, Mel. It's okay to say out loud.


Mel: Can I say Erica Boland?


Lindsey: You want Erica to be your get out of jail free card? You want to have sex with Erica?


Mel: Oh, my gosh. Do you remember Tyler from like OG BIRTHFIT podcast?


Lindsey: Yeah, the co-host that we kicked off? Yes.


Mel: Yeah, that guy.


Erica: That would be your get out of jail card?


Mel: No, no.


Lindsey: Please say no.


Mel: No, no, no. He didn't friend me on Instagram or whatever. I think I requested and he denied me. That's okay. But he did call you a dime piece, Erica.


Lindsey: Oh, he did, yeah.


Mel: I did not ever see this man, but he thinks you're gorgeous and I think most people think you're gorgeous too, so yeah, let's go.


Lindsey: So you want to go the other route, you want to go female get out of jail free card?


Mel: Let's do it. And guess what, we're getting together in December with our husbands.


Lindsey: So there could be a BIRTHFIT orgy?


Mel: It's going to be a big BIRTHFIT orgy in Colorado.


Lindsey: Oh, my God, we'll report back after that.


Mel: I can't breathe. I got to sleep with her tonight and last night she tried straddling me with no panties on. She threatened.


Lindsey: That's interesting. I see where we're going with this.


Mel: I'm crying.


Lindsey: Okay. So that's your get out of jail free card.


Mel: I don't know. I have to think about it.


Erica: Are you sure you don't want to redo?


Lindsey: Yeah, like Steph Curry, anybody like that?


Erica: Steph Curry, Canon has been him for Halloween.


Mel: Really?


Erica: Yeah.


Mel: That's pretty cute.


Lindsey: Matthew McConaughey, that's my second one. No, not Steph, nothing against Steph but…


Erica: Gymnastics Chris.


Lindsey: Chris with tats on his face that coaches at DEUCE?


Erica: That's the one, the one we did a [0:44:04] [Indiscernible].

Lindsey: Yeah, sure, that's something crazy. I don't know why I'm thinking about all these DEUCE people, but Josh who's got all the hair. I don't know why. And he just comes up on Instagram. He's very prolific on Instagram so it just came to mind.

Mel: I thought you liked black people. What's going on here?


Lindsey: I really like black men. What about somebody like Denzel Washington? Sexy is old. Jamie Foxx. Okay, get out of jail right now.


Mel: Jamie Foxx, yeah, that's fucking genius. Because that would be like the greatest pillow talk of all time -- no offense, Anthony -- but that would be the greatest pillow talk. No offense. We're working on pillow talk.


Lindsey: What does pillow talk even mean?


Mel: Yeah, post-coitus, like lay in the nook and you just talk about sweet nothings. Yeah, Jamie Foxx would be a fucking phenomenal storyteller.


Lindsey: That's a good one. I'll give you that one. My get out of jail free card would probably be Matthew McConaughey or Ryan Bingham. Somebody that's just Texas as fuck.


Erica: And what did you say for Logan? Oh, Mel, that's right.


Lindsey: I don't know who Mel's is. Jamie Foxx. I don't know who Logan's would be. I would want it to be somebody dope as fuck and Mel is pretty dope.


Mel: So Anthony's would be Katy Perry. Really 100%. In fact, this was like back when I was in college and really insecure, but I was like so jealous of her because he thought she was like so beautiful and talented. When I was totally in my princess, yeah.


Lindsey: Has your get out of jail free card person evolved over time? Has he been yours the whole time?


Erica: Jack Johnson, for sure.


Lindsey: Has he been yours the whole time?


Erica: No, I used to be in love with Josh Hartnett. Then he found that girlfriend and then [0:47:14] [Indiscernible].


Lindsey: Erika Christensen.


Erica: Maybe even his wife now, I'm not sure. I didn't follow him. I had a really big crush on Kobe Bryant.


Lindsey: You had a crush on Kobe Bryant?


Erica: Kobe Bryant and Josh Hartnett, yeah, for sure. But Kobe Bryant I even had a poster of him in my closet, how scary creepy is that.


Mel: Has yours evolved?


Lindsey: I don't know. I used to have a big crush on Dwight Howard, his shoulders. But then he became like such a pansy, like a basketball player, I just got over it real quick. Oh, David Beckham.


Mel: Is he short?


Lindsey: Yeah, he's like my height, a little bit taller. He's taller than me so that's good.


Mel: Well, it's not that hard.


Lindsey: Yeah.


Mel: So I had [0:48:42] [Indiscernible]? Okay. So like my crush was totally Steve Prefontaine back in high school, but he was not alive at the time, so that crush was a just a little bit awkward. And also was madly in love with Troy Polamalu from the Pittsburgh Steelers.


Erica: Whoa, that's a lot.


Mel: That's a lot of hair, yeah, but a lot of freaking talent. He's crazy, in one package. He actually like strength-trained, like really functionally, like barefoot and all kinds of stuff. He was just a heck of an athlete. Gorgeous hair.


Lindsey: So the hair and the barefoot training turned you on?


Erica: That's why you want to sleep with me. It's my hair and my barefoot.


Lindsey: All right, before we wrap up, do you got any more pillow talk girl questions Would You Rather, before we wrap up the final episode?


Mel: [0:49:52] [Indiscernible]?


Erica: Well, you learned a lot last night at dinner so would you rather have low back pain during sex or orgasm during exercise?


Lindsey: Erica just asked would you rather have back pain during sex or orgasm during exercise. I would rather orgasm every time I worked out which has happened to me with certain movements.


Mel: My first orgasm was during workouts. I'm not kidding you.


Erica: It, for the first time, happened to me postpartum with Maclin and I was like, "What is wrong with me?"


Mel: So this is super common then.


Erica: Yeah.


Mel: I like legitimately talked to Mumma about it because like apparently I can't do overhead squats because that leads to orgasm and that's awkward.


Erica: Why not enjoy it?


Mel: Well, thankfully I'm in the garage by myself so I could but-- and then program overhead squats every single day. Those were like my first orgasms was during workouts.


Erica: First orgasm ever?


Mel: Yeah, ever. And then like further down the road of having sex was like oh, that's the thing that happens during workouts.


Lindsey: So Mel's first orgasms were during exercise.


Erica: Can I ask what position?


Lindsey: Yeah, because apparently the research has showed that it's different positions for everybody.


Mel: Yeah. So it's repeatable for me in pull-up negatives. And here's like the shitty part about it, I got real good at pull-ups, but it would take longer and longer for me to like get at that point because I start doing it all the time because it felt really good and I was like, I don't know what this is but I like it. Yeah, so I would be doing like a freaking pull-up negative for like two minutes and then orgasm.


Erica: That's extra strong.


Lindsey: I forget which movement, I think it was something like V-ups or something for me, which I fucking hate V-ups, but if I'm going to orgasm, yeah. Dude, I love overhead squats but never got an orgasm doing them. That's one way, yeah. So if you're listening, have you ever orgasmed during certain movements?


Erica: So there's legitimate out of what lab was it, Canada, McGill's lab, wasn't it? Stuart McGill's lab out of Canada, on like low back pain during sex but also orgasm during exercise, that's apparently really a common thing that nobody talks about.


Lindsey: Yeah. I've had a conversation where I'd had a number of conversations with midwife Elizabeth Bachner. My vagina is magical. She has theories that depending on where women are stimulated and depending on what part of their clitoris, certain women are more prone to orgasms during birth. So like if you are a front-stimulated clitoris orgasm person, you might be able to stimulate yourself during birth and have an orgasm.


Erica: That's interesting because I wonder, like stimulate yourself, like if your body naturally is just stimulated by the birth process or like physically stimulate yourself to help with the birth process?


Lindsey: I think you got to physically stimulated yourself because I've seen orgasm happen during birth and this woman had to help herself.


Mel: So she had the wherewithal to.


Lindsey: She touched herself, yeah.


Erica: Mel, if you ever have babies and Lindsey, if you ever have babies, more babies or babies at all, try it and let us know how that goes because my supply is done.


Mel: Will you be my doula?


Erica: Yes. All of it just came together but I'm not going to stimulate you for you during your birth. Never have I ever stimulated a doula client for herself during birth. It's probably somewhere in my contract, or it will be.


Lindsey: There's a first time for everything. Damn. So try it out, stimulate yourself.


Erica: Get back to us.


Lindsey: Yeah, get back to us.


Erica: What did you say? Oh, Lane's podcast.


Lane's podcast was super awesome so by the time you listen to this you will have listened to Lane Gauntt of BIRTHFIT Volusia in Florida. One of the things that I really loved that she talked about was touching herself postpartum and being able to stimulate herself postpartum. And if she was not comfortable touching herself and stimulating herself she didn't feel like it was the right time for sex, which makes so much sense. Like if you can't touch yourself and talk about the pressure touching yourself, if you don't know that, how can you communicate that to somebody? That's kind of fucking brilliant.


Mel: Yeah, I love Lane. That was awesome.


Lindsey: Yeah. Anything you want to add to wrap up this random ass podcast?


Erica: No pun intended.


Lindsey: Another would you rather question to finish it off with?


Erica: I had the last one that led to a whole tangent of conversations. Anybody else got anything? Would you rather orgasm in exercise or back pain during sex?


Lindsey: I would not want to have back pain during sex.


Erica: Me neither.


Lindsey: I would want to orgasm every time I did fucking pull-up negatives. I want to eat a lollipop. Oh, my God. Well, on that note we're going to wrap up.


Mel: I do have a question, tying it back to the coach seminar since that's why we're here. What are you excited about for tomorrow, the final day of the final seminar?


Lindsey: What I really like on the final day is the mindset stuff because that just blows people out of the water and Mel, your delivery on that is fucking swish.


Mel: Thanks.


Lindsey: I do like programming and I do like talking about that with people because I think it brings awareness and intentionality to programming and to thinking about recovery days and thinking about 40 weeks is not that long for training and we are literally training for birth. And I think the programming offers them a practical way to take that back to their gym but I think the mindset piece is so freaking key.


Mel: Yeah. The goal is for them to see any window of possibility into their own life and to like let this seminar continue after Sunday which is pretty cool.


Lindsey: Yeah, that's good.


Mel: That's the sound of glasses being pushed up if you're curious.


Lindsey: This is for all the people that do CrossFit, would you rather, Rich Froning or Mat Fraser?


Mel: That's a good one.


Lindsey: Every lady that does CrossFit knows this too.


Mel: This is true. Which one's taller? It's terrible. So I really am not shitting you, I had this thing called the test, it was pretty cleverly named, and the test was if I could run up and jump on said man completely unawares of me jumping on them. Would they fall over or would they be able to support me, and if they would fall over I was in fact too large for them.


Lindsey: I think both of them can probably support you.


Mel: I'm kind of a big woman.


Lindsey: I'm going to guess they're both about the same height since they do CrossFit--


Mel: They're probably like 5'7". They're probably shorter than me. I know. We're over here like Twin Towers except for when you're Embo and who's the other girl at DEUCE?


Lindsey: Karis.


Mel: That's actual Twin Towers.


Erica: How tall is Karis?


Lindsey: They're both like 6'1".


Mel: If I could be any height I'd be 6 foot.


Lindsey: How tall are you?


Mel: 5'9".


Lindsey: Well, you got to answer, Rich Froning or Mat Fraser?


Mel: I'm not 5'7", my mom's like 5'7". Okay, but I need data, who's taller?


Lindsey: I'm going to guess they're both between 5'7" and 5'10".


Mel: They're not 5'10".


Lindsey: Well, you got to answer. Oh, I got another good one too, you got to answer this one.


Mel: I guess I would go with Rich.


Lindsey: I'd go with Fraser.


Mel: Would you?


Lindsey: All right, Snoop Dogg or Lil Wayne?


Erica: Oh, my gosh, whoa.


Mel: What? I can't even.


Lindsey: Yes, you can.


Mel: You go first.


Lindsey: Lil Wayne.


Mel: Really?


Lindsey: Absolutely.


Mel: Why?


Lindsey: Because I freaking love Lil Wayne, I think he's so obnoxious and I love it.


Mel: Yeah. I guess I find them both a little bit obnoxious. They are. I guess I'll stick with Jamie Foxx.


Lindsey: No, that is not A or B, that is like D, none of the above.


Erica: I don't think I could take Snoop Dogg seriously.


Mel: You can take Lil Wayne seriously?


Erica: I don't know.


Lindsey: Got to answer.


Erica: I'm going to have with, I'll play devil's advocate and go with Snoop Dogg on this one.


Lindsey: Okay.


Mel: Because if I had to choose it would probably be Snoop. D-o-g-g.


Lindsey: Yeah, Snoop's great. See if I have any more, I don't have any more good ones right now off the top of my head. I was trying to get creative power there.


Erica: Oh, yeah, I can use my creative power this week again.


Lindsey: Yeah, because it's off the period week.


Mel: Oh, nice.


Lindsey: That will come for me next week.


Mel: I think I'm task oriented right now. That's probably my least productive week. It's making a bunch of lists but not actually getting anything done. No, I'm kidding. Actually I did get a lot done before I came out. Got the house picked up.


Lindsey: If you could be one person who would you rather be, or in their shoes for a day, Beyoncé or Madonna?


Mel: Beyoncé.


Lindsey: Me, too.


Erica: For sure.


Lindsey: Queen B.


Mel: Yeah. It's like queen, like BIRTHFIT Queen B!


Lindsey: Absolutely, she knows what's up.


Mel: Would you rather have your body found in a pile of sex toys or have everyone you know see your browsing history? The browsing history because it will be all like fucking Google Scholar. It's like "Wow, she actually studied and I did nothing." I was like what's she doing with the pelvic floor.


Lindsey: That's hilarious.


Mel: It's ridiculous. And also Note Trainer, to learn like piano music. I realize I actually don't visit very many websites.


Lindsey: No?


Mel: Yeah.


Lindsey: That might be all we have, folks.


Mel: Yeah.


Erica: This is for all the Wisconsinites out there. Would you rather give up cheese or give up oral sex? It's a legitimate question on BuzzFeed.


Mel: That is awesome.


Lindsey: I don't even know how to answer that.


Erica: Cheese, for sure.


Mel: Cheese versus oral sex. Cheese curds, deep fried cheese curds?


Erica: Yes.


Mel: You would give those up?


Erica: They're done, I gave them up already.


Mel: Aww. Well, that's not a very fair question then. Okay, yeah, oral sex is pretty great. Oh, my gosh, would you rather have taste buds on your bum or poop through your mouth?


Lindsey: How's that even possible?


Mel: That's really bad. Not bad but hard. How do you choose?


Lindsey: Okay. I think this has taken a turn for the worse.


Mel: Okay.


Lindsey: We're going to go now. Erica is lost in the deep end over there.


Mel: Can we do this one?


Erica: No, this is horrendous.


Lindsey: It's time to go to bed.


Erica: Good night.


Lindsey: All right. Where can people find you, Mel? Do they even want to know?


Mel: Colorado Springs in BIRTHFIT Colorado. So @BIRTHFITColorado,, you can find me on those places.


Erica: BIRTHFIT Wisconsin on the Instagram, BIRTHFIT Wisconsin on the Facebook,


Lindsey: Awesome! I'm Lindsey Mathews, you can find me via @birthfit or @gigemlindsey. And all of our seminars will be announced for 2018 as soon as possible, hopefully after this episode. Would you rather come to a BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar or not? Hopefully yes.


Mel: BIRTHFIT Coach or BIRTHFIT Seminar, only choices.


Lindsey: Yeah. BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar for Houston and San Francisco are up, BIRTHFIT Professional Seminars will be announced and more to come. So be sure you're signed up for our newsletter, be sure you are subscribing to our podcast, be sure to go and rate us on iTunes. That really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really helps us, so yeah, do that. And we will see you at a seminar soon.


Well, well, well, I hope you enjoyed those shenanigans from the three of us in our lovely hotel room in Chicago. Yeah, that was the last seminar, the BIRTHFIT Coach Seminar for 2017 and this is the last podcast and we are signing off and we'll be back in 2018. So reminders, see you at the seminars, sign up now, prices go up January 1st, and we cannot wait to share space, meet all of you and change the world for the better one day at a time.


And one more little announcement, if you would be a doll and share our episodes on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, whatever you got, and leave us a beautiful review, that would be a wonderful holiday gift for us. Much love, thank you for listening, and we will see you in 2018.

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As women, we are gifted with an incredibly complex and beautiful reproductive system. The fact that we are able to grow and birth humans will never cease to be an amazing miracle. However, because of the complexity of the reproductive system and its specific anatomy requirements, we can run in to a ton of problems if our anatomy deviates from the normal, healthy, structurally sound architecture.


To understand some of the pathologies of the reproductive system and why they occur, let’s talk about what normal/healthy anatomy of the pelvic girdle looks like and how any deviations from normal alignment (AKA subluxations) can affect everything: your reproductive system health, your pregnancy, birth, and the postpartum phase.


Pelvic Anatomy Lesson: The Pelvic Girdle is made up of 3 bones: the sacrum (upside down triangular bone at the base of your spine), and two innominates (pelvic bones). There are 3 joints that connect these 3 bones: the 2 sacroiliac joints (where the sacrum and pelvic bones meet), and the pubic symphysis (where the pubic bones connect in the front of the pelvis). Below the sacrum, you’ll find the coccyx.


The Pelvic Girdle serves as an anchor for a substantial part of the muscular system: muscles of the spine, legs, abdomen, and thorax (basically everything). It’s not difficult to see how subluxations (misalignments) of the pelvic girdle can affect any or all of the muscle groups that it is associated with; causing contraction, tightness, or spasm.


The symptoms when you have misalignments may include, but are not limited to, low back pain, muscular distress, pubic bone pain, limited range of motion, strength deficiency, unbalanced walking, painful or irregular cycles, painful sex, pelvic floor dysfunction, loss of cycle, difficulty becoming pregnant, and difficult labor (1).


How Does One Get Misalignments?

A large contributor to structural misalignments is trauma. We’ve all had trauma; there’s actually a large chance (80-90%) that we had our own BIRTH trauma. We were all born: some vagnially, some cesarean. Regardless, birth is an incredibly taxing (but useful and beautiful) stress on the baby. According to Viola Frymann, an American osteopathic doctor, 90% of newborns suffered with birth trauma and strain patterns (1). Not to mention how many times we fell on our tailbone learning how to walk, fell off the slide or monkey bars, got in to a car accident, wiped out while skiing, etc. Or we just sit for hours on end per day (trust me, this is traumatic (FYI: sitting is the new smoking)). All of those traumas, both big and small/repetitive, are going to create misalignments and restrictions - a distortion of the structural foundation. And if we don’t get the structure corrected by getting adjusted and moving it properly, the stress and trauma stores in our body as muscle memory. Compensation patterns will then occur, and then protective mechanisms get put in place. Fast forward months or years, and our body develops a chronic state of disharmony or dis-ease. This can then result in all kinds of symptoms both musculoskeletal and organic/visceral. It’s not a good situation being subluxated (misaligned).


Why is going to a Chiropractor CRUCIAL?

Chiropractors can fix these misalignments! Chiropractors work on optimizing your spine, which houses your Central Nervous System (which in case you didn’t know controls and coordinates EVERY. SINGLE. FUNCTION. in your body!). So, if you have misalignments that are putting pressure on your nervous system, not only will you most likely be in pain or have movement deficiencies caused by these structural blockages, you may also have a poorly functioning body. Because the body is self-regulating and self-healing, if optimally functioning, it will most likely easily conceive, carry a baby to term, and have a smooth birth with well-regulated hormones postpartum. The truth of the matter is that adjusting the spine just makes your body work better. It’s not even controversial at this point. And a well adjusted person is able to move well and function better.


People under chiropractic care tend to be more aligned, connected, and energized. And in my professional opinion, we should all get checked and adjusted regularly to benefit the body, mind, and soul.


If you need assistance finding a chiropractor in your area, please do not hesitate to reach out: we are happy to find you a great doctor in your area! Or Check out BIRTHFIT’s Professional page here to find a BIRTHFIT Professional Chiropractor near you!


Dr. Kristyn Silver, D.C.

BIRTHFIT West Los Angeles  /   @BIRTHFIT_WestLosAngeles

The Life Center Chiropractic


  1. “Chapter 6: Subluxations Of The Pelvic Girdle.” Atlas of Common Subluxations of the Human Spine and Pelvis, by William J. Ruch, Life West Press, 2014.

Diastasis Rectus - Navigating the Ins & Outs: Part 1

This blog was adapted from its original post on by the author.


What is Diastasis Rectus Abdominis?

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Diastasis Rectus Abdominis (DRA) is caused when the rectus abdominis muscles (two large, superficial, parallel bands of muscles commonly referred to as the 6-pack) become separated by a larger distance than normal. Diastasis recti occurs when the linea alba, a collagen structure of connective tissue, is no longer able to provide stability and appropriate tension.

In the pregnant or postpartum mom, DRA is commonly noticed when the abdominal muscles are firing in a non-optimal pattern. This is seen as “tenting” or “coning” of the abdomen that is often seen when women are going from lying down to sitting up or when exercising. Even at rest, DRA may be noticeable as it is commonly nicknamed “mummy tummy” or “mommy pooch” as even after a mom has lost the baby weight her stomach may not appear as small as one would like due to a DRA.


How common is DRA?

According to a study, the prevalence of DRA decreased from 100% at 35 weeks gestation to 39% at 6 months postpartum.1 That means that 100% of women have some level of DRA in their third trimester. One study showed the prevalence of DRA above the umbilicus was 68% and 32% below the umbilicus. While there was no difference in the DRA above the umbilicus, the DRA below the umbilicus was greater in women who had given birth more than once.6

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It’s important to note that at 6 weeks postpartum 60% of mothers had a DRA, 45.5% at 5 months postpartum and 32.5% at 12 months postpartum.7 A different study showed that 36% of postpartum mom’s rectus abdominis remained abnormally wide at 5–7 weeks postpartum.11

Furthermore, diastasis recti and pelvic floor problems tense to go hand-in-hand and 66% of women with a diastasis recti have some level of pelvic floor dysfunction whether it be incontinence or pelvic pain.5,7

When can I check for a Diastasis Rectus?

Since almost all moms have some degree of abdominal separation, it is important to act as if you have a separation until at least 6 weeks postpartum. Remember, 60% of mothers have a DRA at 6 weeks postpartum and 32.5% continue to have a DRA after one year. In about ⅔ of women who have carried a baby to term, diastasis is present at 6 weeks postpartum, and still there in ⅓ of women at one year postpartum. It is therefore prudent to assume (and act/exercise as though) you have an abdominal separation for the better part of the first year postpartum; being mindful and extremely cautious for the first 6 weeks, at which time you can check for a diastasis rectus.


How do I measure for a DRA and what is normal?

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Mota found that “palpation has sufficient reliability to be used in clinical practice.”2 The following is how to palpate for a DRA and what is considered “normal” for a diastasis rectus abdominis*.


First, lie on your back with your knees bent to a 45 degree angle with your feet resting gently on the ground. Next, make sure you are in a neutral position so your low back has a gentle curve and your butt is untucked.  Then as you exhale, gently lift your head and shoulders off the floor, tucking your chin and use your index finger and middle finger to measure based on the following palpation:

  1. Location and width – there are three locations to palpate for a DRA and width is measured from side-to-side in fingertip width:10

    1. Just above the umbilicus: 2.7cm is normal (at most 2 finger-tip widths)

    2. Midway between the pubic symphysis and the umbilicus: .9cm is normal

    3. Midway between the umbilicus and xyphoid process (tip of the sternum): 1.0cm

  2. Depth or tension of the linea alba

    1. The linea alba is connective tissue and should be both strong and taut. There should be some natural flexibility but the tissue should resist the pressure of your fingers.

    2. If the linea alba is not able to optimally contract, you will feel as if your fingers are sinking in deeper when light fingertip pressure is applied.

    3. Depth can be measured as fingertip, knuckle or even finger depth or more specifically:

      1. Shallow: 0-3cm

      2. Medium: 3-6cm

      3. Deep: 6-7cm

*One other thing to look for as you lift your head is tenting or coning of the abdominal musculature. Although this is not specific to a diastasis rectus abdominis, it is commonly a sign that you are recruiting the wrong abdominal musculature and indicates instability that may need to be addressed.

How frequently can I check my DRA?

Not too often!  Checking too frequently can actually damage the tissue and weaken the muscles which makes the gap worse! If you “have to know” the most frequently you should check for a DRA is 4-6 weeks. Give yourself time to heal from the inside out!

Keep an eye out for Diastasis Rectus - Navigating the Ins & Outs: Part 2 – The Causes of DRA


  1. Mota P, Pascoal AG, Carita AI, et al. Prevalence and risk factors of diastasis recti abdominis from late pregnancy to 6 months postpartum, and relationship with lumbo-pelvic pain. Man Ther 2015;20:200–5.

  2. Reliability of the inter-rectus distance measured by palpation. Comparison of palpation and ultrasound measurements. Mota, Patrícia et al. Manual Therapy , Volume 18 , Issue 4 , 294 – 298

  3. Corrêa MC, Corrêa MD. Puerpério. In: Corrêa MD, editor. Noções práticas de obstetrícia. 12ª ed. Rio de Janeiro: Medisi; 1999. p. 95-104.

  4. Gilleard WL, Brown JM. Structure and function of the abdominal muscles in primigravid subjects during pregnancy and the immediate postbirth period. Phys Ther. 1996;76(7):750-62.

  5. Spitznagle TM, Leong FC, Van Dillen LR. Prevalence of diastasis recti abdominis in a urogynecological patient population. Int Urogynecol J Pelvic Floor Dysfunct. 2007;18(3):321-8.

  6. Rett, MT, Braga, MD, Bernardes, NO, & Andrade, SC. (2009). Prevalence of diastasis of the rectus abdominis muscles immediately postpartum: comparison between primiparae and multiparae. Brazilian Journal of Physical Therapy, 13(4), 275-280. Epub August 21, 2009.

  7. Sperstad JB, et al. Br J Sports Med 2016;0:1–6. doi:10.1136/bjsports-2016-096065

  8. Boissonnault JS, Kotarinos KR. Diastasis recti I. In: Wilder E. ed. Obstetric andgynecologic physical therapy. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1988:63–81.

  9. Boissonnault JS, Blaschak MJ. Incidence of diastasis recti abdominis during the childbearing year. Phys Ther 1988;68:1082–6.

  10. Rath, A.M., Attali, P., Dumas, J.L., et al., 1996. The abdominal linea alba: an anatomo-radiologic and biomechanical study. Surgical Radiologic Anatomy 18, 281–288.

  11. Coldron, Y., Stokes, M.J., Newham, D.J., Cook, K., 2007. Postpartum characteristics of rectus abdominis on ultrasound imaging. Manual Therapy. Epub.


The information by Dr. Lauren Keller of Elemental Chiropractic, Inc. & BIRTHFIT is provided for general information only and should in no way be considered as a substitute for medical advice or information about any particular condition. While every effort has been made to ensure that the information is accurate, Dr. Lauren Keller nor Elemental Chiropractic, Inc. nor BIRTHFIT make no warranties or representations as to its accuracy and accept no responsibility and cannot guarantee the consequences if individuals choose to rely upon these contents as their sole source of information about a condition and its rehabilitation. If you have any specific questions about any medical matter or think you may be suffering from any medical conditions, you should consult your doctor or other professional healthcare provider. You should never delay seeking medical advice, disregard medical advice, or discontinue medical treatment because of information on this website.


Dr. Lauren Keller, DC, DABCA


BIRTHFIT Chicago: Western Suburbs

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BF Dallas Mama Discusses Chiropractic and PT Helping with DRA

Chiropractic care throughout pregnancy, birth and postpartum


This is a special patient with BIRTHFIT Dallas sharing her experience with chiropractic care and why it is so important not only during pregnancy and birth but also postpartum!

If you are in the Dallas area in need of chiropractic care check out Dr. Jamie’s info here, or if you are looking for a chiropractor in your area check out our professional page here.


With Love,




Pro Motion Chiropractic


BIRTHFIT Podcast Episode 90 Featuring Postpartum Doula Megan


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Hello, BIRTHFIT community. This is Dr. Lindsey Mathews, your BIRTHFIT founder. Today, I have a very special postpartum doula. Her name is Megan Ameral and she is out of San Diego. So we have not had a birth -- well, we've had a birth but not a postpartum doula. Sorry, a tongue twister there. Postpartum doulas definitely, definitely, definitely have their space in this world today, and I think if I could hire a postpartum doula for every family, I would. I mean, they sound like a dream come true. So check out this interview, lots of good stuff. Megan definitely hit on it, like if you were living in a city where it's just you and your partner and there's no family around, no support system, then hire a postpartum doula. They are well worth the investment so that you can connect with baby, you can connect with partner, partner can connect with baby, and you don't have to worry about all the chores, everything else that's going on around you. You can basically lean on this postpartum doula for support. So check this interview out, and if you have any questions, go to, and you can hit her up there. She's also with the group and they have midwifery services, birth doulas, and postpartum doulas there. She'll talk a little bit about that as well. So enjoy the interview.


If you can, give everyone listening right now your two-minute, three-minute elevator speech about who you are and what you do.


Megan: Okay, great. Yeah, I'll start right now. Well, my name is Megan Ameral. I'm a postpartum doula here in San Diego. I am a certified postpartum doula. So I went through the training at Bastyr University, but I would really say the experience has shaped me as a doula. What I do is I provide postpartum support during those first initial weeks which can sometimes turn into months, depending on what momma needs, but I work along with mom and baby, and mostly my main goal is transitioning and supporting the family and helping them become this new unit, this unified family. So I really say I'm supporting the growth of a new family.


Lindsey: That's pretty cool. We have not had an official BIRTHFIT podcast with a postpartum doula.


Megan: Really?


Lindsey: Yeah, so you're the first.


Megan: Well, I'm super excited to be a part of it.


Lindsey: Yeah. So I want to get into that more and talk about the transitions and stuff like that, but I want to hear a bit more about your journey and how you decided to become a postpartum doula.


Megan: Actually, my journey, definitely I feel like that has brought me here. My passion actually started, my sister was born seven years younger than me so I was about seven years old. And my mom, she actually had a C-section and I remember really vividly the breastfeeding ordeal of just trying to get into this thing of breastfeeding again after seven years, and I remember my mom dealing after her C-section. And I felt like at that time, I was a doula. I was running around doing all the little things, supporting my own mother at the time. And it kind of just like later I transitioned into nanny work and I felt like, okay, I found my calling. Nanny work is what I want to do.


But then later I met Sarah Burns who is an amazing -- right now she's a midwife, but before she was just a birth doula. Not just a birth doula but she was a birth doula, and she is fabulous and she had this nurturing quality about her, and I felt like, "Wow! Maybe I can do something like this," and she encouraged me to start looking into supporting the role of motherhood versus a nanny takes over more like helping a role of caretaker but supporting moms in that role of helping them become that primary or that supportive caretaker. So that's really now a big part of my journey is my first experience with my own mother and then later Sarah Burns who was just so amazing in helping me become a doula. And now, four and a half years later, I'm like this is my passion. I feel like it definitely has chosen me.


Lindsey: That's awesome. I love when people find the path that has been made for them. So that's rad. So how did you find Bastyr University?


Megan: Yeah. So Bastyr University, it's like in Sorrento Valley Area. They had online, I remember. They had this like really great workshop that Simkin Center was doing and DONA was coming in and they were doing this great training, and I was like okay, it's super close, and I feel like I would love to be under DONA. I've read good things. I know there's different organizations out there, but I really felt like having that certification would just be nice to have and training to have so that I can come in and really support families. Families really trust having that organization backing you up and showing that you went through all of the courses and the reading. So I felt like that was important. I applied for a scholarship actually at the time because I was helping the deaf community with American Sign Language, so I felt like I could bridge the gap of having a doula that knew sign language and to come in and help low-income or just families in general that needed someone to be able to do sign language, and that's how I got into Bastyr, just for that course.


Lindsey: Oh, that's awesome. What was, if you can remember your training because some of us block all types of training out, what was, I guess, the most unique thing or a pearl of wisdom that you took away that you can remember from your postpartum doula training?


Megan: I would say I know I appreciated all facets of it, for sure. It was very thorough. I know some people don't have the best training experiences. I've had good friends that their experience through doula training wasn't the best, but mine was really thorough. I really appreciated one of my trainers. I have to get her name again because it's been a while, but she was so helpful. She was originally a NICU nurse who became a doula here. Before she was in Switzerland as a NICU nurse and her experience of how nurturing and supportive they are with the babies and moms. She actually like physically brought her portfolio and showed what she brings in her doula bag, and she would bring like bags of lavenders so that she can put it under momma's pillows and like make everything super cozy, and candles. I thought she threw a whole new level where it was more than just care. It was like emotional and just human care where she just thoroughly wanted the person to enjoy that postpartum experience. So that really made it for me, realizing that such an intimate moment that you have with these people, you can really help them.


Lindsey: I love that. So for those that are listening who may have never heard of a postpartum doula or even a doula, can you explain like what you would tell somebody what you do and for how long, what that would look like?


Megan: Yeah, definitely. Well, I get arranged different people that call me somewhere. Like yesterday, I had a momma call me and she's due on Friday. And then sometimes I get a call and it's like I just "I'm pregnant, and I want to start making, move storage, my plan and my care that I'd like." So they book me six months or three months in advance, which is all over the place. But really, it's that supportive care when moms come home from the hospitals. Sometimes, I have a prenatal visit so I'll come in and help moms organize meals or just get their house and nesting mode and make little baskets, breastfeeding baskets, wherever they're going to stay, and they want to feed their baby. We'll just put like treats and things for themselves so that they can have like a reward system for themselves during that time or put snuggly blankets everywhere, and just those things kind of help when that postpartum time comes. It's like healing. I feel like they're very healing and remind yourself to self-care during that time that you're solely supporting your baby, feeding them and nurturing them, but also nurturing yourself. But I get called in mostly for right after babies are born. I come in for that first initial three weeks to sometimes three months. It really varies. So sometimes mommas will ask me to stay at the first initial couple overnights just to help baby be able to sleep, and mostly it's for mom and dad to be able to get that recovery, or mom and partner to get that recovery. That's really important.


And then also it's daytime care. It could be two to three times a week. Sometimes parents want seven times a week. It's really all over the place, but my goal is really, as a postpartum doula, is to walk myself out of the job and make sure that they can feel strong in those world and confident and not feel like they're left at all. So we build that village around them. Maybe it's chiropractic care or acupuncture or breastfeeding group or just building that village so that when I do step out, they feel like they have all the resources they need and tangible, real people that they feel comfortable with versus just like, oh, here's a great reference but they never really get that for them.


Lindsey: Yeah. This sounds like a dream. I don't know why people would not hire a postpartum doula.


Megan: No, I want one. I just adopted a puppy and I'm like I want a postpartum doula for my puppy.


Lindsey: Yeah, absolutely. So it sounds like you come in either during the day or spend the night and you can start from anywhere, like you're committed for about three weeks to sometimes even three months. So I'm guessing the price of a postpartum doula varies all over the place too.


Megan: Yeah, it varies all over the place. I mean, you have the experience of like San Francisco and New York, that or just like the locks price that you're like [0:16:34] [Indiscernible] family can afford that. My goal is I want to support all families and I work with well-income families, military families, and just day-to-day, I want to be able to be accessible. I mean, I'm just a person. I really just want to support people with my passion, but I also have to make money for my own family. My real goal is being as flexible as possible, but the standard price here in San Diego is pretty set, and that helps all doulas all across the board be able to be paid and acknowledged for their work.


Lindsey: Absolutely. What would you say is the standard price range in San Diego?


Megan: Sounds like 35 is the going rate in San Diego for postpartum. I know that some doulas are a little bit lower depending on if their experience is a little bit less or they're just starting out or they only reside or they only work in a couple places. But it varies really here. I think twins multiples, prices start going up. For myself, I stay at 35 standard for day and night, and that helps me be able to be accessible. If you're local and I'm in North, Park and you're right down the street, which I've had a bunch of different moms that live really close to me, we wiggle it. We move it around and make it work for them.


Lindsey: I love that. So how do people find you? Like I know for sure, twins -- I'm a birth doula in Los Angeles and for sure, the first thing I tell my twin moms is like, "Hey, you need a postpartum doula." But how does the rest of the world find a postpartum doula?


Megan: Well, I'd say number one, I get found on Yelp. I mean, these days, people are all about reading reviews and I think that that's really a great way and seeing like "Okay, who's this doula? What's her personality?" How you work with people says so much and how you make people feel, and that experience, they only get one time in a lifetime. They only have a baby maybe three or four times in their lifetime, but that's their chance so they really need somebody that works for them. So Yelp is really accessible. I think most of my clients come from Yelp, but I get a few from like the DONA website. Or if you are a doula ore you're looking into becoming a doula, I think getting under an organization helps you be able to get your name out there. But really, our community here in California for doulas in general is so warm and kind. You probably know that, that there's a good referral system of if you worked with a past client or you worked with a midwife and may refer you. It's like a good community of referrals.


Lindsey: That's awesome. Would you say most of your clientele is single moms or twins or varies?


Megan: It varies, but I would say San Diego is all about families that have moved here for work or military, and they don't have their family here maybe for the first two weeks here, but it's really young couples or just couples in general that need that extra set of hands because their family is not in the country or in the state.


Lindsey: That's a great point.


Megan: But there is always those twins, triplets, or just mommas in general that have read quite a bit about postpartum depression and they're really knowledgeable now about what can possibly come up, and they just want to have that filter of having someone there that say what's normal, what's not.


Lindsey: I love that. So you mention that you do sign language.


Megan: I do. I love it.


Lindsey: Can you elaborate a little bit on that and how you integrate that into the work you do?


Megan: I mean, my high hopes from the very beginning has been to walk into a family that is deaf, and I have friends that both parents are deaf and then their babies are hearing, but they needed that warm feeling versus sometimes having an interpreter and then having a postpartum doula, and having all these people come in. It feels like this entourage. My dream was to just come in and be able to help these families. I know they exist. In North Park here, we have quite a bit of hard-of-hearing or the deaf community is quite big, but I have got calls before, and it's exciting but it just never has turned out it all worked out. My goal is that's there, but in the meantime, a lot of the mommas ask for baby sign language. So hearing moms, they're like, "Oh, you know, how can I teach my baby some early communication?" So I'll show them like simple signs and that's really fun. It's really exciting.


Lindsey: I see a bunch of families incorporate sign language early on, I guess, because the babies, they get that sooner than the verbal language.


Megan: Yeah, I mean, it definitely doesn't -- like some people think that stops them communicating, but really, studies show that it just helps them in teasing, like whetting their appetite and getting them to want to tease sign language in general, and it helps a lot of moments of frustration and being able to give moms and dads a clue as to how they're feeling or what they're thinking at that young.


Lindsey: It's awesome. So if you were to show up at a family's house, what's the earliest you show up for a family? Like two days? Three days postpartum?


Megan: Yeah, two days, three days. I had my earliest client that ever contacted me was 32 hours out of the hospital. It can be all over the place, but I really love it. I like it when mom and dad or mom and partner get to take that moment, that heartbeat to like breathe and center themselves before having me come because it helps them stay grounded where they want to be and just realize, "Wow, we're a little family" before they have that another come in, but it varies.


Lindsey: So what's the first thing you do when you come in? I know you said you'll set up like breastfeeding areas and things like that. So what would you do first thing in?


Megan: Well, those first initial days or hours, so hopefully we have our prenatal before if we have time, and then I already know the lay of the house or their apartment or place and know exactly how mom like her towels folded. All those things to me matter, and I always want my clients to be super comfortable. Communication is key because if I'm doing something like completely opposite than what they expected or wanted, I like to know because this is their experience. It's not mine and I'm just there to help them and support them. So I come in and basically I'll know the lay of the home and maybe just making a light breakfast or lunch, helping mom. If she wants to take a shower or a bath, I'm just there to hold baby. Sometimes light laundry, dishes. It's really more home stuff in the very beginning and helping mom relax. Baby's pretty sleepy. Newborns are so sleepy in the beginning so that's the good part is that they can just snuggle up while mom is able to sleep, and really, if that's mom's goal is breastfeeding, we really want to get that established. So waking mom up every two hours, waking baby up every two hours, and getting baby to feed, a lot of skin-on-skin time with mom and dad.


And then just really getting nutritious foods around the house. What I mean by that is I'll make really good, like healthy bars or cookies and fortify them with like ginger and cinnamon and just grounding. It's all about helping mom support her immune system, so like getting her some stews or soup and have those things accessible in their home is really important. So it's just more getting things nested and grounded in a couple of days.


Lindsey: That sounds awesome. I need that all the time. What about like their parenting philosophy? Do parents ever ask you about that or want a certain parenting philosophy to start right away? I can imagine some people may seem very structured or want some structure right away.


Megan: I mean, definitely at the interview, I can usually see like the vibe of the family, like what they want. I am all about supporting people in any of their parenting styles, any role, as long as it's healthy and emotionally it's not going to challenge baby or challenge momma. I always want to provide like education and support, but I will never sway moms or dads or partners any other way than what they want. I just provide the facts, but there has been moments I come into homes and it's more structure and schedule, and it's just really important to show. Babies are able to kind of show that in the first couple of days I'm there. There won't be a schedule and there won't really be a strict sleeping schedule or a feeding schedule in the first three months. It needs really until five months. You can't really sleep-coach or sleep-train.


So just a gentle approach, and usually like the families that want more structure, they find out in the first couple of weeks. They're like babies do eat two to three hours, so there is a structure. And we can't really control babies because they're so individual. But we can influence them, give them great habits, and then in the meantime, kind of just sit with the whole idea of baby is kind of in control in a lot of ways, and that's okay. Babies experience too postpartum, so I do see a lot of structure, but I always encourage to like just letting things just be because the first three months, it will be frustrating if you try to have things a certain way.


Lindsey: Especially when I see new moms come in to like the chiropractic office or they do a consult with me or something, and they're trying to sleep-train their baby at three months, I'm like, "Oh, man." Do you like have any other allies, anybody else, that you can talk to because I know this is not good right now.


Megan: And I mean, there's like, and I've read it, there's a bunch of books out there that are about French babies out. French babies sleep at three months perfectly. And not like downplay, I mean, everybody has their own thing. Every culture is different. I mean, sleep studies show that babies, they really can't soothe themselves. They need that extra support and they do wake up frequently to feed during the night, so all these things kind of help you have balance. But, I mean, who doesn't want a sleeping baby during night? That sounds fabulous, but it's just being okay with the fact the first three months, the first five months, things are going to be a little like all over the place. I mean, baby's going to sleep fabulous one day and they're going to be a great sleeping child and adult. So it will come.


Lindsey: Yeah. I'm thinking of a few in particular right now. Just go with the baby. The baby is deciding the schedule.


Megan: And the thing is babies, newborns, have day and night, for the most part, they tend to have them mixed up.


Lindsey: They're like college kids.


Megan: Yeah, at night, they're going to want to party. I just recently worked with this little girl and she's adorable, and she's only maybe six days old when I came in, and she was a partier at night. She wanted to make faces and coo and smile, and I was like, "You're six days old and you have night and day confused so we need to work on this" and we did. Now she sleeps a lot better and she knows the difference, but it was like that first couple of days, the mom and dad were like, "Is she ever going to sleep?" I'm like "She'll get there." And she did. So it's just in the very beginning and it will work itself out for sure.


Lindsey: Yeah, totally. I'm totally skipping over to a new subject, but whenever I take on a doula client, or a birth doula client, I have a backup. Do you all work in a similar way?


Megan: Yeah.


Lindsey: Okay.


Megan: I mean, I work with birth doulas in general so like they have multiple -- they have birth doulas as backups and they'll have postpartum doulas they know and then we have postpartum doula backups as well. I do too. So I work along with Night and Day Doula, and we're not an agency by any means. We're just a collective of us four girls that are best friends. Brittany and Sarah are midwives. Sarah was my mentor so I work along with her and she is a midwife and a birth doula, and then we have Rachael Oeffner who is a postpartum doula, and then eventually she'll be a lactation consultant. So she's in the works for that.


So between us all, we all refer to each other and we do that because, I mean, I believe Sarah felt this because it's nice to have referral and a group of women that you know all work seamlessly together. We can come in and provide the same amount of care, the same amount of like comforting and consoling. I feel like our personalities are similar. So we work there. And then I have other backups that I'd really love to refer to but I'm really choosy and picky about like referring out because there's so many people out there, but the community is amazing and there's a lot of great doulas out there for sure.


Lindsey: That's awesome. So would you take on more than like one family or client at a time? How does that work?


Megan: It just depends on how much is booked and how much in advance it is booked, but I do take about two to three clients, sometimes just one depending on if I'm kind of like not in a retirement mode, but like that month, I'm taking it pretty nights easy. Yeah, I'm taking it easy and focusing on that one client, but about two to three clients per month, and that just allows me so that when their estimated due date is on my calendar, I kind of like block out the week before and the week after knowing that baby might come in those days.


Lindsey: There's got to be a lot of up-in-the-air for your calendar, which is tough, huh?


Megan: Yeah, I mean, you probably experience that too if you're doing birth doula work. I mean, it's kind of like estimated due date, we'll see.


Lindsey: But I was thinking your calendar may be harder than a birth doula because you're like, "Okay, even if she goes two weeks past her due date, then I would start for three weeks." That's wild.


Megan: It's a big chunk to block out for sure.


Lindsey: Heck, yeah.


Megan: You have to like have things in contract and be just honest and know exactly what they need, and sometimes mom and dad don't know what they need. So you just block a certain amount of time and realize that you might need to book more later but it's kind of up in the air, like you said. You just have to kind of these are a family and you take their work when you get it, and there's some months when you just you know that due date kind of rolled into the next month, and you were just kind of sitting and working on other projects. It's [0:32:56] [Indiscernible] for babies.


Lindsey: Do you ever schedule time for vacation for yourself?


Megan: No. I'm getting better at that. I just got married. So when I got married, it helped me be a lot more balanced and the fact that I need to have vacation time, but I will definitely say when I was single, I was like workhorse-mode and I was like I want to help every family, and I was on this high up just working with every family possible all the time, and then now I'm married, it's like there's balance. You need to go [0:33:29] [Indiscernible] but I feel like when during the holiday time when families tend to, even if they have a baby born, a lot of them have family around, so that's when I can take the most amount of time off is the end of December, it seems.


Lindsey: That's nice.


Megan: Yeah, I take advantage of it and hang out with my puppy and my husband. So what do you see in your postpartum doula future? Or what would you like to see?


Lindsey: I want to be able to open it up for more families. I'm trying to figure out how I can possibly open up for like low-income families because I get those inquiries quite a bit, and I want to take that work but at the same time I have to like feed my family, and I have a lot on my own plate. So I'm just trying to balance that. So hopefully in the future, I'm trying to figure out how I could possibly be able to give more to families that need that support.


And then also, there's a lot of question to just about babies sleeping and helping support their sleep patterns, and I would love to learn more and go back to school and get a little bit more information on this, helping them with sleeping, and just honestly, being a postpartum doula is more than enough for me. I know there's a lot of birth workers out there that always seek to learn more and put more under their belt and that's amazing, meeting those people, but for me, I feel like my cup is well filled, like I'm just so content with what I'm doing and I feel like if everybody's doing more, then there won't be that many doulas, so I'm really happy just being where I'm at, but just becoming more accessible to people.


Lindsey: That's cool. So where can people find you? Like your websites. I know you mentioned you are postpartum doula with your own website and also with another company.


Megan: So I have my own company. It's so that's my own website, and it's pretty accessible and easy to find. Then I, as well, work with Night and Day Doula which is us four best friends working together, that shared company which is I love working as independent via worker as well as just having my own business. So between the two, that's where you can find me. It's pretty easy.


Lindsey: Awesome. What would you say, if you could give new moms three pieces of advice, what would you say those pieces of advice are?


Megan: So new moms, I definitely would say the first one is just be okay with being home. And I say that because nesting is okay. Being home, snuggling, being in your PJs is okay. Sometimes I see moms, you can see that like uneasiness of like, "I have to get back to my schedule, my original routine, my agenda, my coffee-session, my job, all of that." But it all comes, and I think that just being at peace with the fact that this moment is a secret, seeing as a doula, I see it so much. Like the weeks go by and I always see baby from three days old to already like four months old and it goes by so quickly, so just enjoying those moments and being okay with yourself and have peace with that moment.


And then the second would definitely be is just really reaching out as a mom and getting that village, like I said. Prenatally would be awesome, but if it's postpartum, go on Facebook. Connect, get in groups. There's a lot of great mom-exchange groups that you can exchange clothing or go on stroller walks or go to coffee shops, hearing your partners like this huge group of moms that like go to a bunch of really hipster coffee shops. I'm like, "Good for you, guys" [0:37:35] [Indiscernible] you guys because then they get out of the house. They connect with other moms and it helps have perspective and exchange experience because it's so important in building that community.


And then third is just I think communication with your mate, your partner is so important. Sometimes, that gets lost and rekindling that fire is so important because you are a team, and this is a new transition from romantic to now you are these teammates who are supporting each other in this different way but really grounding yourself. And sometimes, I'll say that to my clients postpartum, like "Leave me your baby, even if it's in the other room, just go have dinner together and reconnect" and that is just so important to build that core again because that's how your baby will thrive and that's how you'll thrive.


Lindsey: I love that. Alright, so before we depart, what is one of your most favorite memories? It can be recent or right when you started, but one of your favorite memories.


Megan: I would say, I moved to Hawaii for – it was going to be indefinitely but it turned out just for a month. [0:38:51] [Indiscernible] and I missed San Diego so much and my family here, but when I came back, I worked for this family so sweet, and they have this little baby girl and it was a moment where I didn't know if I should be in Hawaii, if I should be in San Diego. I wanted to help families in Hawaii because there is a very little amount of doulas there and they really need that support, but back here I felt like I got re-centered and grounded, like this is where I was meant to be, just because of this one baby girl, and the momma really needed support in all aspects. So I really got to fill that as a doula. I was challenged in different ways, but this little girl just totally warmed my heart and I felt like I connected with that family so well, and I felt like they really got what they needed during that postpartum experience. And then the parents like gave me this necklace that like goes along with her name because her name's like a very celestial name. So it was really cool because to this day, I wear that necklace and it reminds me being a doula and how families really need that support and where you're at is where you need to be. So that was really good.


Lindsey: That's powerful. I love that. Well, I really appreciate you donating sometime today for us, especially since my schedule got backed up, but I really appreciate it and sharing your story and all about postpartum doulas.


Do you feel like you want to add anything? Did I miss anything about postpartum doula work?


Megan: No. I mean, that's exactly – like every question you asked is really I could never have thought of. You helped lead me to because I'm a very quiet person so [0:40:33] [Indiscernible] but it's important. I feel like BIRTHFIT and everything that you guys do there and all the pillars that you're supporting, mommas, I feel like that's so important and I'm referring all my clients to BIRTHFIT all the time.


Lindsey: Thank you.


Megan: Because I feel like that community is so important and helpful in being moms get that support system. So thank you for just reaching out to me.


Lindsey: For sure.


Megan: Like Kristen has been so helpful and I've been referring clients to her on BIRTHFIT.


Lindsey: Yeah, she just started her craniosacral training so you'll have to go ask her about that and see if she'll practice on you.


Megan: I would love that.


Lindsey: But yeah, Megan, thank you so much and I will definitely send moms your way in San Diego because you were doing some magic work done there. So thank you.


Megan: Thank you, Lindsey, and I hope that one day we cross paths again.


Lindsey: Yes.


Megan: Thank you for interviewing me. I really appreciate it.


Lindsey: For sure. I'll let you know when this goes up.


Megan: Okay, sounds great. And let me know if I can do anything else.


Lindsey: For sure. Alright, enjoy the rest of your day.


Megan: Thank you. Bye.


Lindsey: Bye, Megan. All right, ladies and gents. I hope you enjoyed the postpartum doula talk with Megan Ameral and I know we touched on this earlier, like pre-interview style, but use a postpartum doula. That would be my biggest takeaway is there are resources out there. There are people that are specializing in things that you and I don't specialize in. So use them. They are passionate. They love what they do, and somebody like Megan would be amazing to hire, to bring into your house, to make little breastfeeding areas, to make soups, stews, anything to help you transition, whether it's three weeks or three months. I strongly encourage you to look into a postpartum doula. All right, I will talk to you all soon. Enjoy the holidays and we'll see you back in 2018. Ciao!

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